Scott Pioli one on one with Michael Coleman...

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Looks like Kiper nailed it.

People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

so you think they never talked about it before the draft?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so you think they never talked about it before the draft?

I bet the conversation of IF Clausen fell into the their laps in the second round came up Weis wouldve said go for it.

Pioli cant admit he ****ed up on Cassel is really all it comes down to. Is what it is and now Chiefs fans have to suffer for at least 2 to 3 more years.

Its OK.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So because they weren't in the room means they had no input? That's a pretty steep generalization.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

Good timing.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

You don't think they prepare for guys falling? Seriously. Do you think that? If nothing else they stack their board so that if there is someone falling, they can TRADE UP and get a player.

Now, the other thing here is, in regards to Clausen and Tate.... Between round 1 and round 2, there was a huge break. Do you think that Weis and Pioli and Crennel didn't chat a little about the draft?

I am sure that Pioli is an egotistical jerk that has to have everything his way... and I am sure that is why Crennel and Weis both came back to work for him despite having other opportunities. That makes so much sense.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

You don't think they prepare for guys falling? Seriously. Do you think that? If nothing else they stack their board so that if there is someone falling, they can TRADE UP and get a player.

Now, the other thing here is, in regards to Clausen and Tate.... Between round 1 and round 2, there was a huge break. Do you think that Weis and Pioli and Crennel didn't chat a little about the draft?

I am sure that Pioli is an egotistical jerk that has to have everything his way... and I am sure that is why Crennel and Weis both came back to work for him despite having other opportunities. That makes so much sense.

i'll put money that pioli locked himself in the room all by himself all night thursday and all day friday so weis couldnt talk him into clausen

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

At that point it becomes the decision of the HC and GM, not the OC. Weis knew where they had Clausen graded and on their board and priority list. He also would have had an entire evening of post first day draft to give his input. They went into that second day knowing full well that Clausen would likely be there at 2A.

The question is whether Weis looked at it and said "Cassel is not a QB I'm going to be able to do anything with, and Croyle is useless, so let's get Clausen," or "Well, we really need some more explosiveness on offense, and I like this kid McCluster. You get me some offensive tools, and I'll fix your QB issue."

Certainly Weis could have been overruled, but my guess is that in them taking McCluster and moving up to get Moeaki, yet not moving up to get Clausen at 2b, the priority was more along the lines of getting Weis tools to work with on offense rather than another QB...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Certainly Weis could have been overruled, but my guess is that in them taking McCluster and moving up to get Moeaki, yet not moving up to get Clausen at 2b, the priority was more along the lines of getting Weis tools to work with on offense rather than another QB...

I think that guess is 100% correct, but only because Pioli told Weis he had to work with Cassel.

At that point, of course Weis is going to want players that will help turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think that guess is 100% correct, but only because Pioli told Weis he had to work with Cassel.

At that point, of course Weis is going to want players that will help turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

I think that's a safe bet. My guess is that Weis would certainly have not minded drafting Clausen, but mainly because he's never worked with Cassel or Croyle before. So essentially, he's having to trust Haley on this since Haley has coached them both for a year. If I were an OC going to a team, I certainly would prefer having a QB around that I had worked with for three years and knew inside out. Of course that's probably why McDaniels and Pioli both wanted Cassel last year too...