Our F-ing draft! - Page 2

Ralphy Boy · 07:33 PM

Okay, I really did not like the draft. The Berry pick was great but after that I didn’t like the way they went about it.

I don’t believe that Pioli & Haley actually stacked the board and ranked the players. I think they developed an infatuation with McCluster and reached on him. I believe the reason they didn’t have their assistants in the draft room was because they didn’t want everyone to see them throwing out all of the scouting reports, just to take who they wanted most. Basically I think Pioli did it just like he did last year.

The way I look at the 2nd round is this; Pioli & Haley tried to get cute here and screwed everything up. It would be one thing if we passed on Clausen to address an area of concern with the best player available but we didn’t. Whoever you draft in the 2nd should, IMO, be looked at as an eventual starter and I don’t see that in either of them.

I'd have rather had Clausen & Tate than McCluster & Arenas.

First of all I don't buy the BS that Philly was going to take McCluster. I think Nate Allen was their choice all along. Everyone thought they were going to take Earl Thomas in the first, but they took Graham knowing that Allen would be there in the 2nd. McCluster doesn't offer Philly anything that Jeremy Maclin & DeSean Jackson don’t already do.

Basically I see the picks of McCluster & Arenas as “cute” picks. As in Pioli & Haley tried to get cute by taking them because both are undersized guys who don’t have a real position. Does anyone actually believe either of these two will be starters? How many plays a game will these guys really get?

McCluster vs. Tate.
I'm not taking anything away from McCluster, he's dynamic and great. Everyone is rationalizing him as a multipurpose player who can rush & receive and he’s pretty good at both, but better as a RB. Given his lack of size, I can’t see him holding up in the NFL as a rusher and that wasn’t an area of need for us. For now he’s slotted as a WR, so I have to compare his ability there to that of Tate.
Career numbers:
McCluster = 130 catches, 1,703 yards (13.1 avg), 7 TD's
Tate = 157 catches, 2,707 yards (17.24 avg), 26 TD's

Obviously McCluster is not on Tate’s level as a pure receiver, but he’s a much better rusher so in my mind they are essentially break even.

The problem is that taking McCluster not only cost us Clausen, but we could have had someone who is, if not as good or better of a receiver, he is at the very least just a step below.

I know that they will use him as a rusher and I know that he’ll create matchup problems; I just don’t think there are enough rushing attempts in the season to go around to justify taking him this high.

Maybe they'll use him as a returner but his averages are less than spectacular in that area. 7.13 avg on punts and 19.68 on kickoffs for McCluster compared to 11.04 & 20.6 averages for Tate.

Maybe McCluster would have made it to the #50 pick, maybe he wouldn’t. Again, I don’t buy that Philly was going to take him at #37. Shit gets tossed out every year that someone is going to take someone and maybe half of it is true.

Arenas vs. the rest of the 2nd round talent.
This just made very little sense to me. What in the world makes Pioli think that it’s okay to take a return man this high? He’s a return guy and a very good punt returner.

He’s not a realistic every down option at CB and doesn’t really have the size to ever be, so it just makes little sense. We needed a starter here, not a role player, because we JUST took a role player in McCluster. There were at least 6 picks here that could have been made for an eventual starter and half of those would have been better than what we have on the roster right now.

I really don’t mind the Asamoah pick. I can’t say I was really excited about it, but he seems like a good player with a good head on his shoulders. It would just seem to me that we could have addressed our completely vacant pass rush or done something to close the "All Rushing Lane's Open" sign instead.

As far as trading up for Moeaki, I think they panicked and I think it was a horrible pick. Indianapolis was picking next and I think they must have thought that Indy would take him, since they did well with the last Iowa TE they picked in Dallas Clark. I don’t see anything worth getting excited about. Risking two picks (the two we traded up to get him) is insane for a guy who has only played in 21 games the last 3 years.

Obviously I can’t do anything about it, other than bitch. So just to make myself feel better, I’m going to say that, knowing what I know now about how the players came off the board, that this is how I would have drafted.

1 Eric Berry, FS
2a Jimmy Clausen, QB
2b Golden Tate, WR
3 Donald Butler, ILB
4 Clay Harbor, TE
5a Perrish Cox, CB
5b Cameron Sheffield, OLB
5c Cam Thomas, NT

I'd have been pretty torn about taking Clausen with Kindle on the board but I'd have done it. If we took Clausen, we could have still had Tate too and I think the two of them combined would be much better than McCluster & Arenas.

I can't imagine that Romeo & Charlie aren't pissed about not being in the draft room.

McCluster better end up being A LOT better than Tate and Jimmy combined. That or Jimmy better be a head case who has a huge meltdown ala Todd Marinovich.

Every pick they made after Berry, up until Lewis, was made to make Cassel look better and while I hope it was worth it, I can't help but question the picks.

I'll go back to hoping and praying that he will improve and be the guy that they thought we were getting. I'll hope and pray for a Trent Green 2nd Season Recovery. I'll fall in line with everyone else who has basically already decided that the "experts" were right. I'll try not to be envious of the teams that got the players I wanted us to get. I'll try not to wonder why I love this freaking team so much.

Okay, my venting is over.

Chiefshrink · 04-26-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Cam Thomas is The New Obama. Everyone wants him, know one knows why.

How true!!

Ralphy Boy · 04-26-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, and this Cam Thomas infatuation has finally reached the level of the Mike Peterson infatuation.

Yeah except I'm pretty sure that I am the one that first mentioned Cam.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

Yeah except I'm pretty sure that I am the one that first mentioned Cam.

Then you haven't been paying attention to the other 1.24 million posts in the past few months.

The level of butthurt is at an all-time high because the Chiefs traded up to get Moeaki, thus making it improbable they'd get him.

It's the most ****ing ridiculous thing I've EVER seen in 11 years on Chiefsplanet.

Cam for DROY!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I can't imagine the sand in the vagina of the person that felt the need to write a 2,500 word expose of why they preferred their mock draft to the Chiefs actual draft.

JFC.

Dane,

What did you just do over the last 12 months?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2010, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dane,

What did you just do over the last 12 months?

I complained that the Chiefs took a ****ing 5-tech at #3 instead of a true NFL playmaker.

I complained that the Chief took a broken LB and 7th round QB with the second pick

I complained that the Chiefs took another 5 tech in the third round.

I complained that the Chief took a ****ing CB, one year after selecting solid, young starters in Carr and Flowers.

From where I sit, that is ENORMOUSLY different than taking the best safety in the draft, a playmaker that can score from any skill position on the field, a playmaking CB that's also the best returner in all of college football and a TE with the potential to be special.

That's a FAR cry from 2009.

If you don't agree, so be it. But I, for one, am not going to shit on this draft in April 2010 until the rest of the 2010 squad is assembled.

The NFL is ALL about playmakers and not about guys like 5th rounder Cam Thomas.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 01:12 AM

To be honest, I'm taken aback by the shift that you've co-opted over the last three days.

You've gone from supporting those who are critical of the regime to labeling anyone who is critical as "butthurt" or the same, tired "whiners".

Ultimately, whether or not you support what Pioli and co. has done is your prerogative, and should be done on an individual basis irrespective of how anyone else feels. Your critical thinking should lead you to the evaluation of them. I, for example, have no problem that you are a fan of their draft. However, for you to be derided for criticizing them, and you have at great length over the last year, and then to instantly shift to doing the same thing to others, is not just a little bit contradictory.

It's astoundingly hypocritical, and moral relativism at its worst.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 01:18 AM

did Dane hurt your feeeewings?!?!? Awww...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

did Dane hurt your feeeewings?!?!? Awww...

None whatsoever. Although it's nice to see you're still following me around and mentioning me in every post like a puppy.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 01:20 AM

Hamas...

as soon as you took Mark Sanchez in the mock draft last year I knew it would never end...

No matter what happens from here on out...you are actively cheering against the Chiefs because it means more for you to be right then for the Chiefs to be successful...

You are now Mecca...

Congratulations.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 01:21 AM

There are constants in every thread...

You're a constant...you're going to get mentioned...get over it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Hamas...

as soon as you took Mark Sanchez in the mock draft last year I knew it would never end...

No matter what happens from here on out...you are actively cheering against the Chiefs because it means more for you to be right then for the Chiefs to be successful...

You are now Mecca...

Congratulations.

I'll be sure to let the Chiefs know this when I make my next season ticket payment.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

There are constants in every thread...

You're a constant...you're going to get mentioned...get over it.

Funny, I didn't have a single post in that John Henderson thread.

I wasn't around on Saturday morning of the draft.

I wasn't participating in the "Front 7 thread" for hours.

And yet there you were, bringing me up at every possible junction.

You are a classical case of projection. You claim that others take this shit personally, but you are so obsessed with me, and you take what I say so personally that you cannot refrain from quoting me, making specious allegations about me, or talking about me for more than five minutes, which given your gnat-like attention span, is all the more astounding and troubling.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 01:25 AM

you might want to think about a restraining order...

Seriously.

Mecca · 04-27-2010, 01:30 AM

The sad thing about the trade for Moeaki was that Anthony McCoy is a better fit for the offense and wouldn't have required a move.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

To be honest, I'm taken aback by the shift that you've co-opted over the last three days.

You've gone from supporting those who are critical of the regime to labeling anyone who is critical as "butthurt" or the same, tired "whiners".

Ultimately, whether or not you support what Pioli and co. has done is your prerogative, and should be done on an individual basis irrespective of how anyone else feels. Your critical thinking should lead you to the evaluation of them. I, for example, have no problem that you are a fan of their draft. However, for you to be derided for criticizing them, and you have at great length over the last year, and then to instantly shift to doing the same thing to others, is not just a little bit contradictory.

It's astoundingly hypocritical, and moral relativism at its worst.

No.

What I've come to realize, like an epiphany, is that the Chiefs front office, Scott Pioli, will do whatever it takes to build a team in his image.

I'm pretty much at peace with that now, regardless of the outcome.

I've watched this franchise flounder for 40 years. I've watched great players come and go without a playoff win. I"ve watched good coaches and good personnel people cast aside.

There's a lot of history associated with this franchise, and most of it not good.

I'd rail against their picks if I didn't think that one or two years down the line, they'd have no impact. But I think the opposite is true. Instead of "standing pat" and taking whoever fell to them, I'm glad they showed the balls to trade up and get their guy, at the possible expense of Cam Thomas.

I'm happy that they went balls to the wall with offensive playmakers, regardless of Walter or OTWP or anybody else's "value" chart.

The bottom line is that I want them to ****ing WIN and win consistently for years. And in doing so, I'm not trying to alienate you or anyone else along the way.

There are different ways to build a football team. And this year, Pioli proved he's not the guy "we" thought he was because he took Berry. If anything, he proved he was not the guy we all thought him to be in 2009.

If the Chiefs had taken Kindle or Cody, big ****ing deal. They'd have a ****ing Texas player at LB and a fatass at NT, neither of which were "Sure Things". Instead, they took guys that could score from anywhere on the field. Personally, I think that's FAR more important than taking the other guys.

Moving up to grab Moeaki was a ballsy move that may or may not payoff. But, they can't sit around and say "Well, if we take Moeaki, we may miss out on XXX 80 picks down the road". **** that. Take YOUR guy and move on.

It seems to me that this draft is universally loved by everyone but a few. Time will tell who's right or wrong but as I said earlier, I'm not going to get bent just the because the Chiefs didn't take who I thought they should take on 4/23/2010.

Oh and as for Ralphie, I think he's the biggest crybaby since Trent Green. Sac didn't even put up this much fuss.

04-26-2010, 07:26 PM
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Our F-ing draft! Okay, I really did not like the draft. The Berry pick was great but after that I didn’t like the way they went about it. I don’t believe that Pioli & Haley actually stacked the board and ranked the players. I think they developed an infatuation with McCluster and reached on him. I believe the reason they didn’t have their assistants in the draft room was because they didn’t want everyone to see them throwing out all of the scouting reports, just to take who they wanted most. Basically I think Pioli did it just like he did last year. The way I look at the 2nd round is this; Pioli & Haley tried to get cute here and screwed everything up. It would be one thing if we passed on Clausen to address an area of concern with the best player available but we didn’t. Whoever you draft in the 2nd should, IMO, be looked at as an eventual starter and I don’t see that in either of them. I'd have rather had Clausen & Tate than McCluster & Arenas. First of all I don't buy the BS that Philly was going to take McCluster. I think Nate Allen was their choice all along. Everyone thought they were going to take Earl Thomas in the first, but they took Graham knowing that Allen would be there in the 2nd. McCluster doesn't offer Philly anything that Jeremy Maclin & DeSean Jackson don’t already do. Basically I see the picks of McCluster & Arenas as “cute” picks. As in Pioli & Haley tried to get cute by taking them because both are undersized guys who don’t have a real position. Does anyone actually believe either of these two will be starters? How many plays a game will these guys really get? McCluster vs. Tate. I'm not taking anything away from McCluster, he's dynamic and great. Everyone is rationalizing him as a multipurpose player who can rush & receive and he’s pretty good at both, but better as a RB. Given his lack of size, I can’t see him holding up in the NFL as a rusher and that wasn’t an area of need for us. For now he’s slotted as a WR, so I have to compare his ability there to that of Tate. Career numbers: McCluster = 130 catches, 1,703 yards (13.1 avg), 7 TD's Tate = 157 catches, 2,707 yards (17.24 avg), 26 TD's Obviously McCluster is not on Tate’s level as a pure receiver, but he’s a much better rusher so in my mind they are essentially break even. The problem is that taking McCluster not only cost us Clausen, but we could have had someone who is, if not as good or better of a receiver, he is at the very least just a step below. I know that they will use him as a rusher and I know that he’ll create matchup problems; I just don’t think there are enough rushing attempts in the season to go around to justify taking him this high. Maybe they'll use him as a returner but his averages are less than spectacular in that area. 7.13 avg on punts and 19.68 on kickoffs for McCluster compared to 11.04 & 20.6 averages for Tate. Maybe McCluster would have made it to the #50 pick, maybe he wouldn’t. Again, I don’t buy that Philly was going to take him at #37. Shit gets tossed out every year that someone is going to take someone and maybe half of it is true. Arenas vs. the rest of the 2nd round talent. This just made very little sense to me. What in the world makes Pioli think that it’s okay to take a return man this high? He’s a return guy and a very good punt returner. He’s not a realistic every down option at CB and doesn’t really have the size to ever be, so it just makes little sense. We needed a starter here, not a role player, because we JUST took a role player in McCluster. There were at least 6 picks here that could have been made for an eventual starter and half of those would have been better than what we have on the roster right now. I really don’t mind the Asamoah pick. I can’t say I was really excited about it, but he seems like a good player with a good head on his shoulders. It would just seem to me that we could have addressed our completely vacant pass rush or done something to close the "All Rushing Lane's Open" sign instead. As far as trading up for Moeaki, I think they panicked and I think it was a horrible pick. Indianapolis was picking next and I think they must have thought that Indy would take him, since they did well with the last Iowa TE they picked in Dallas Clark. I don’t see anything worth getting excited about. Risking two picks (the two we traded up to get him) is insane for a guy who has only played in 21 games the last 3 years. Obviously I can’t do anything about it, other than bitch. So just to make myself feel better, I’m going to say that, knowing what I know now about how the players came off the board, that this is how I would have drafted. 1 Eric Berry, FS 2a Jimmy Clausen, QB 2b Golden Tate, WR 3 Donald Butler, ILB 4 Clay Harbor, TE 5a Perrish Cox, CB 5b Cameron Sheffield, OLB 5c Cam Thomas, NT I'd have been pretty torn about taking Clausen with Kindle on the board but I'd have done it. If we took Clausen, we could have still had Tate too and I think the two of them combined would be much better than McCluster & Arenas. I can't imagine that Romeo & Charlie aren't pissed about not being in the draft room. McCluster better end up being A LOT better than Tate and Jimmy combined. That or Jimmy better be a head case who has a huge meltdown ala Todd Marinovich. Every pick they made after Berry, up until Lewis, was made to make Cassel look better and while I hope it was worth it, I can't help but question the picks. I'll go back to hoping and praying that he will improve and be the guy that they thought we were getting. I'll hope and pray for a Trent Green 2nd Season Recovery. I'll fall in line with everyone else who has basically already decided that the "experts" were right. I'll try not to be envious of the teams that got the players I wanted us to get. I'll try not to wonder why I love this freaking team so much. Okay, my venting is over. Last edited by Ralphy Boy; 04-26-2010 at 07:33 PM..
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04-27-2010, 01:12 AM	#21
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7959572	To be honest, I'm taken aback by the shift that you've co-opted over the last three days. You've gone from supporting those who are critical of the regime to labeling anyone who is critical as "butthurt" or the same, tired "whiners". Ultimately, whether or not you support what Pioli and co. has done is your prerogative, and should be done on an individual basis irrespective of how anyone else feels. Your critical thinking should lead you to the evaluation of them. I, for example, have no problem that you are a fan of their draft. However, for you to be derided for criticizing them, and you have at great length over the last year, and then to instantly shift to doing the same thing to others, is not just a little bit contradictory. It's astoundingly hypocritical, and moral relativism at its worst. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-27-2010, 01:18 AM	#22
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04-27-2010, 01:20 AM	#24
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Hamas... as soon as you took Mark Sanchez in the mock draft last year I knew it would never end... No matter what happens from here on out...you are actively cheering against the Chiefs because it means more for you to be right then for the Chiefs to be successful... You are now Mecca... Congratulations.
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04-27-2010, 01:21 AM	#25
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	There are constants in every thread... You're a constant...you're going to get mentioned...get over it.
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04-27-2010, 01:25 AM	#28
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	you might want to think about a restraining order... Seriously.
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04-27-2010, 01:30 AM	#29
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2337050	The sad thing about the trade for Moeaki was that Anthony McCoy is a better fit for the offense and wouldn't have required a move.
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