Weiss told Fox to take Clausen - Page 6

Chiefnj2 · 04-27-2010, 10:27 AM

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.''

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**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Just wanted to note that talking up Clausen to a friend who has a serious issue at QB isn't the same as saying that he likes him more than he likes Cassel. There's just no info on that.

If Weis came back to the Patriots and talked up Clausen to Fox, does that that mean that Weis thought he should be drafted to replace Brady?

Out of respect, I'm going to ignore that you just compared the Chiefs needs at QB to those of the Patriots.

Amnorix · 04-27-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I was also resigned to the fact that if we didn't take Clausen, we didn't want Clausen...

There's not much more to say. At this point, Charlie Weis has reviewed the film on Cassel from his time with the Patriots and last year with the Chiefs, has met and spoken with Cassel, has spoken with Pioli, Belichick and Tom Brady about him, and made an assessment to Pioli about whether he thought Cassel was likely to be "the Guy" or if they should seriously consider Clausen.

The Chiefs (obviously) knew Clausen wasn't going to be there in the third round for them, so when they didn't take him near the top of round two, that told you about all you need to know about Cassel and Clausen. Doesn't mean Clausen won't be good. Just means they like Cassel fine as their QB, and felt they should spend their assets elsewhere instead of taking Clausen.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus Christ, this post reeks of stupidity.

Nice reply...

Patriots have no depth behind Brady, had an abundance of picks...and clearly could have developed him for three years to be Brady's successor, or to pawn him off to some other QB needy team (see Whitehurst, Charlie)...

Bills: Obvious

Dolphins: Obvious

Redskins: See Patriots.

Eagles: Kolb, Vick (you're telling me they didn't have a need for Clausen at that point in the draft?)

Cardinals: Leinart (you really think he's the future?)

49ers: Smith (you really think they don't have a need?)

Broncos: Tebow was drafted in the 1st...shows you how much people thought of Jimmy Clausen, a pro ready QB, as a franchise caliber player

Chiefs: Matt Cassel, Charlie Weis...when Clausen wasn't drafted...that didn't tell you anything?

Raiders: Before Campbell...they had Gradkowski and Russel...obvious need.

Seahawks: Hasselbeck is washed up, Charlie Whitehurst is who again?

Ravens: Flacco was eratic...lots of potential...but if they had Clausen graded as a franchise guy...hedging your bet with a 2nd round pick is exactly what we all wanted the Chiefs to do, right?

Bengals: Palmer is overrated and washed up...this decade's Drew Bledsoe...you don't think they wanted a Tom Brady situation backing up their overrated former #1 pick?

Steelers: Obvious.

Vikings: Obvious.

Panthers: Drafted him at #48...apparently according to OTWP they kept trying to trade up but no one wanted to move out of their picks (despite the trades)...so even though they were offering to move up from 48 to 32, and from 48 to 33, and from 48 to 34 etc. etc. etc. no one would bite and fortunately the #1 guy on their board fell all the way to #48...the Panthers and Hamas have tons in common!!!

Jaguars: Garrard is the future? Yeah, ok

Titans: Didn't Vince Young try and off himself two years ago? What else do they have? Kerry Collins? This wasn't a need for them? A franchise QB potentially?

Bucs: See Chiefs, Ravens...they took a guy last year...but if an Aaron Rodgers falls to the middle of the 2nd round...or to #39 where the Bucs traded up...he's not worth a $5M contract in case Freeman doesn't work out?

Exactly OTWP...

19 teams had legitimate reasons to draft a QB if they thought he had the ability to be a Super Bowl winning, Franchise caliber NFL QB.

**The Franchise** · 04-27-2010, 12:04 PM

For some reason....this doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of Cassel.

Q: What do you think about Matt Cassel?

A: He's on our team.

Amnorix · 04-27-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Out of respect, I'm going to ignore that you just compared the Chiefs needs at QB to those of the Patriots.

I was just using it as a hypothetical. What MANY around here seem unwilling to accept is that the Chiefs front office and, presumably, Weis, are ok with having Matt Cassel as the QB.

You've seen one season of him surrounded by, pardon my bluntness, shit for talent, and you've written off the guy like he's the second coming of Ryan freaking Leaf. I KNOW he doesn't have a good feel for the deep ball, etc. but just because he's not Mad Bomber Lamonica doesn't mean he sucks ballz and that Clausen should obviously have been drafted.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

There's not much more to say. At this point, Charlie Weis has reviewed the film on Cassel from his time with the Patriots and last year with the Chiefs, has met and spoken with Cassel, has spoken with Pioli, Belichick and Tom Brady about him, and made an assessment to Pioli about whether he thought Cassel was likely to be "the Guy" or if they should seriously consider Clausen.

The Chiefs (obviously) knew Clausen wasn't going to be there in the third round for them, so when they didn't take him near the top of round two, that told you about all you need to know about Cassel and Clausen. Doesn't mean Clausen won't be good. Just means they like Cassel fine as their QB, and felt they should spend their assets elsewhere instead of taking Clausen.

No, it doesn't mean THEY like Cassel.

It could mean they ALL like Cassel, but it could just as well mean that PIOLI likes Cassel, considering he's the decision maker.

Weis could have been begging for Clausen and been overruled, or he could have been fine with Cassel.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 12:07 PM

people talking about the Bucs and Ravens not having a need at QB is laughable considering the Chiefs just gave a QB a $60M contract last year...

so by you people using that logic you're being total hypocrites...

in the 2nd round...

paying a guy a $5M contract (tops) isn't a threat to a guy like Freeman or Flacco...it's hedging their bets JUST LIKE YOU WANTED KANSAS CITY TO DO WITH CASSEL...

****!

HOW DO WE NOT SEE THIS?

It's almost laughable.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 12:08 PM

and the Patriots signed Bledsoe to a $100M contract and Brady took over almost immediately afterwards...

so that bullshit about Palmer is laughable...especially since the Bengals could have taken him, had him for four years, and paid him probably a little more than $1M per year...

So **** yourself in your dumb ****ing ass dumbshit!

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-27-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

There's not much more to say. At this point, Charlie Weis has reviewed the film on Cassel from his time with the Patriots and last year with the Chiefs, has met and spoken with Cassel, has spoken with Pioli, Belichick and Tom Brady about him, and made an assessment to Pioli about whether he thought Cassel was likely to be "the Guy" or if they should seriously consider Clausen.

The Chiefs (obviously) knew Clausen wasn't going to be there in the third round for them, so when they didn't take him near the top of round two, that told you about all you need to know about Cassel and Clausen. Doesn't mean Clausen won't be good. Just means they like Cassel fine as their QB, and felt they should spend their assets elsewhere instead of taking Clausen.

Considering all intents and purposes it seemed like Pioli/Haley may of shined Charlie to believe that Clausen will be Cassel's understudy then went back on that promise on draftday. It seems like with all the information that is been coming out, Weis is pissed that this occured.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Nice reply...

Patriots have no depth behind Brady, had an abundance of picks...and clearly could have developed him for three years to be Brady's successor, or to pawn him off to some other QB needy team (see Whitehurst, Charlie)...

Bills: Obvious

Dolphins: Obvious

Redskins: See Patriots.

Eagles: Kolb, Vick (you're telling me they didn't have a need for Clausen at that point in the draft?)

Cardinals: Leinart (you really think he's the future?)

49ers: Smith (you really think they don't have a need?)

Broncos: Tebow was drafted in the 1st...shows you how much people thought of Jimmy Clausen, a pro ready QB, as a franchise caliber player

Chiefs: Matt Cassel, Charlie Weis...when Clausen wasn't drafted...that didn't tell you anything?

Raiders: Before Campbell...they had Gradkowski and Russel...obvious need.

Seahawks: Hasselbeck is washed up, Charlie Whitehurst is who again?

Ravens: Flacco was eratic...lots of potential...but if they had Clausen graded as a franchise guy...hedging your bet with a 2nd round pick is exactly what we all wanted the Chiefs to do, right?

Bengals: Palmer is overrated and washed up...this decade's Drew Bledsoe...you don't think they wanted a Tom Brady situation backing up their overrated former #1 pick?

Steelers: Obvious.

Vikings: Obvious.

Panthers: Drafted him at #48...apparently according to OTWP they kept trying to trade up but no one wanted to move out of their picks (despite the trades)...so even though they were offering to move up from 48 to 32, and from 48 to 33, and from 48 to 34 etc. etc. etc. no one would bite and fortunately the #1 guy on their board fell all the way to #48...the Panthers and Hamas have tons in common!!!

Jaguars: Garrard is the future? Yeah, ok

Titans: Didn't Vince Young try and off himself two years ago? What else do they have? Kerry Collins? This wasn't a need for them? A franchise QB potentially?

Bucs: See Chiefs, Ravens...they took a guy last year...but if an Aaron Rodgers falls to the middle of the 2nd round...or to #39 where the Bucs traded up...he's not worth a $5M contract in case Freeman doesn't work out?

Exactly OTWP...

19 teams had legitimate reasons to draft a QB if they thought he had the ability to be a Super Bowl winning, Franchise caliber NFL QB.

You can repeat that garbage all you want, it's not going to make it any more realistic.

Please, post it again, I've been enjoying you go down in an epic blaze of stupidity over the past 72 hours.

Thanks for the cheap entertainment.

Amnorix · 04-27-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, it doesn't mean THEY like Cassel.

It could mean they ALL like Cassel, but it could just as well mean that PIOLI likes Cassel, considering he's the decision maker.

Weis could have been begging for Clausen and been overruled, or he could have been fine with Cassel.

Could have been, yes. But I find it very hard to believe that Pioli brought in an offensive guru like Haley to be HC, and then brought in Charlie Weis to run the offense, only to ignore them if they told him that they thought Cassel WASN'T good enough to be the team's starting QB.

If you're telling me that Weis made that opinion clear pre-draft, and Haley backs him up on it, and then he and Haley are sitting in the draft room (Weis probably wasn't there) and Haley is begging for Clausen, and Pioli says "nope, I think we need this very dangerous scat-back, he's another Kevin Faulk. Good luck with Cassel, cuz he's who you're stuck with", then I just don't believe it.

Not at quarterback. The position is too important.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You can repeat that garbage all you want, it's not going to make it any more realistic.

Please, post it again, I've been enjoying you go down in an epic blaze of stupidity over the past 72 hours.

Thanks for the cheap entertainment.

Another great reply, buddy...

Out of those 19 teams, which one isn't realistic?

Or are you just completely dumb?

I listed the Patriots for one reason...they had 13 picks...if Weis is sharing information with anyone...or if anyone is on the same page with what the Chiefs are doing...it's the Patriots...

if Belichick thought Clausen was a franchise level QB...with all of those picks...they would have EASILY taken him around pick 40...EASILY...without a doubt...that's a value pick if I've ever seen one (assuming they have him graded highly)...and then they can get rid of Hoyer and pay their backup behind Brady $1.1M a year to be groomed by one of the best...

but since I'm CLEARLY right...I enjoy these responses where you have no rebuttal...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

people talking about the Bucs and Ravens not having a need at QB is laughable considering the Chiefs just gave a QB a $60M contract last year...

so by you people using that logic you're being total hypocrites...

in the 2nd round...

paying a guy a $5M contract (tops) isn't a threat to a guy like Freeman or Flacco...it's hedging their bets JUST LIKE YOU WANTED KANSAS CITY TO DO WITH CASSEL...

****!

HOW DO WE NOT SEE THIS?

It's almost laughable.

Wow. I didn't think your posts could get any more reeruned, and then I read this.

You're comparing two franchise QB's to Matt Cassel, 7th round pick.

Holy shit, this is beyond epic stupidity here, folks.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 12:15 PM

EVERYONE praises the Packers for taking Rodgers in 2005 and their HOF starter is STILL playing and it's 2010...

Yet I list 19 teams with CLEAR QB needs...especially for a guy who falls into the middle of the 2nd...

and then explain OBVIOUSLY he wasn't graded to be an Aaron Rodgers...or a franchise QB...

and the band of morons still want to call me the moron...and want to pretend only 4 or 5 teams had pressing QB needs...

and want to pretend like the Chiefs are somehow different than the Bucs or Ravens...and ignore the fact we're in the same exact predicament as both teams except we pay our starting QB even more...which means we are basically even LESS in need of a QB than those two teams by that thought process...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Another great reply, buddy...

Out of those 19 teams, which one isn't realistic?

Or are you just completely dumb?

I listed the Patriots for one reason...they had 13 picks...if Weis is sharing information with anyone...or if anyone is on the same page with what the Chiefs are doing...it's the Patriots...

if Belichick thought Clausen was a franchise level QB...with all of those picks...they would have EASILY taken him around pick 40...EASILY...without a doubt...that's a value pick if I've ever seen one (assuming they have him graded highly)...and then they can get rid of Hoyer and pay their backup behind Brady $1.1M a year to be groomed by one of the best...

but since I'm CLEARLY right...I enjoy these responses where you have no rebuttal...

The Rams should have taken him.

You know, in case Bradford doesn't work out.

Hamas is absolutely correct. Your argument should be why SF, Buffalo and Cleveland passed - not making up ridiculous claims about why teams that have QB's should be using a high pick in a deep draft on one.

You should stick to gambling, FBB and date rape - because you've proven over the past 72 hours that you know very little about the NFL and the draft.

Enjoy your career at Bennigan's.

04-27-2010, 10:27 AM
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Weiss told Fox to take Clausen It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless: In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.'' Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz0mJoaVIf1 Get a free NFL Team Jacket and Tee with SI Subscription
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04-27-2010, 12:04 PM	#79
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2055047	For some reason....this doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of Cassel. Q: What do you think about Matt Cassel? A: He's on our team.
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04-27-2010, 12:07 PM	#82
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	people talking about the Bucs and Ravens not having a need at QB is laughable considering the Chiefs just gave a QB a $60M contract last year... so by you people using that logic you're being total hypocrites... in the 2nd round... paying a guy a $5M contract (tops) isn't a threat to a guy like Freeman or Flacco...it's hedging their bets JUST LIKE YOU WANTED KANSAS CITY TO DO WITH CASSEL... ****! HOW DO WE NOT SEE THIS? It's almost laughable.
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04-27-2010, 12:08 PM	#83
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and the Patriots signed Bledsoe to a $100M contract and Brady took over almost immediately afterwards... so that bullshit about Palmer is laughable...especially since the Bengals could have taken him, had him for four years, and paid him probably a little more than $1M per year... So ** yourself in your dumb **ing ass dumbshit!
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04-27-2010, 12:15 PM	#89
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	EVERYONE praises the Packers for taking Rodgers in 2005 and their HOF starter is STILL playing and it's 2010... Yet I list 19 teams with CLEAR QB needs...especially for a guy who falls into the middle of the 2nd... and then explain OBVIOUSLY he wasn't graded to be an Aaron Rodgers...or a franchise QB... and the band of morons still want to call me the moron...and want to pretend only 4 or 5 teams had pressing QB needs... and want to pretend like the Chiefs are somehow different than the Bucs or Ravens...and ignore the fact we're in the same exact predicament as both teams except we pay our starting QB even more...which means we are basically even LESS in need of a QB than those two teams by that thought process...
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