Weiss told Fox to take Clausen

[Chiefnj2]

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.''

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[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So the Jets, Lions and Rams have franchise QB's, and the Ravens and Bucs don't.

Interesting logic.

no...

The Jets, Lions and Rams have a lot of $$$$ invested in young QB's...they are paid like franchise ****ing QB's...you don't bring in competition for those guys...

Freeman and Flacco are not paid like franchise QB's...they aren't even paid like starting QB's...

you see the difference yet?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

God that hurts just to read. Tell me you're not arguing that they can't be franchise guys because they don't get paid enough...

You obviously haven't been reading his posts the past few days.

He's on a bender of stupidity that belongs in the HOC.

[Pioli Zombie]

Oh Mother of our most gracious Holy Saints preserving us from on high with St Peter,Paul, and Virgin Mary on the Right side of the Heavenly Father will you stop it with the Clausen crap already??????

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Packers took Aaron Rodgers in 2005 because Brett Favre was pulling his usual retire/don't retire bullshit. They had no one to back him up and Rodgers happened to fall to them. But since 24 other teams passed on him....he's not a Franchise QB....right?

I made a bet with someone on this website Aaron Rodgers breakout year two years ago that he would post a 90+ QB rating...

I knew he was going to be awesome.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You obviously haven't been reading his posts the past few days.

He's on a bender of stupidity that belongs in the HOC.

as evidence of me being right this entire thread and you calling Freeman and Flacco franchise QB's?

Right.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

You're telling me you would have been disappointed if the Patriots took Clausen around pick #40?

Isn't that a similar scenario to what the Packers did in 2005?

The Patriots had the picks to draft, develop, and cheaply pay a QB that who these guys are talking about as a franchise level QB...

you would have been disappointed with that pick?

First, I learned LONG ago not to be disappointed with Belichick draft picks. I'm 100% convinced that he puts in as much or more effort than anyone, that he has a strategy and plan that is sound, and that he is more qualified than nearly anyone else in the NFL to be running a team. Further, if having Belichick the coach (who is awesome) means being forced to have Belichick the GM (who may only be average, but certainly isn't worse than average), then I'm glad to live with it. In BB I trust.

All that said, picking Clausen would have confused me. Brady's contract runs out after 2010, but he's not going anywhere, and likely has about five productive years left. We also have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year which could be use on QBs if they think the value is there.

They obviously liked the value at other positions for their picks this year, which I'm fine with.

Equally obvious, if BB **KNEW** that Clausen was the second coming of Tom Brady, then he'd have drafted him, kept him on the bench for a year or two, and then unceremoniously axed Brady and gone with the younger guy. Belichick is nothing if not ruthless (another thing to love in an NFL coach, unfortunately), and all else being equal, you go with the 25 year old over the 35 year old.

[Sanka]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Other than Aaron Rodgers...name a late 1st round pick that has gone to a Pro Bowl in the last 10 years.

Drew Brees, I know he was takin in the 2nd round, but he was taken 32nd overall, which in this years draft would of been A LATE 1ST ROUND PICK!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Oh Mother of our most gracious Holy Saints preserving us from on high with St Peter,Paul, and Virgin Mary on the Right side of the Heavenly Father will you stop it with the Clausen crap already??????

Let him go, man. We're enjoying it.

It's like watching a cat chase a fake mouse tied to his tail.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Yeah, that's like rule #1 of the "Patriots' Way" (whatever that is). If Pioli didn't learn to ignore ego in making personnel decisions, then he learned nothing.

Belichick cuts bait with draft picks or FA's he brought in as fast or faster than anybody.

I didn't want this ego thing to be true about Pioli, but he is dead set on either living on Cassel's success or falling because of his failure as a QB. That's the reason why I'm ticked you'd think he would have a contingency option just in case the 1st string QB fails to perform and lead the offense.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Freeman and Flacco are not paid like franchise QB's...they aren't even paid like starting QB's...

you see the difference yet?

Flacco is a second year player who had a very nice season leading a team to a playoff win on the road (mostly run game, obviously), and posted a 88 rating. You think that they should bring in competition for him? That's absurd.

And WTF does his salary have to do with anything? You think they'd just rip up his contract three years before it expires if they think he's really good? Who does that? (hint: nobody)

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I didn't want this ego thing to be true about Pioli, but he is dead set on either living on Cassel's success or falling because of his failure as a QB. That's the reason why I'm ticked you'd think he would have a contingency option just in case the 1st string QB fails to perform and lead the offense.

Doesn't he have an opt-out clause after 2010 is over? Doesn't that PROVE that he's willing to cut bait on him and wasn't willing to go "all in"?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Let him go, man. We're enjoying it.

It's like watching a cat chase a fake mouse tied to his tail.

hey...

either way...

at least I haven't suffered from little man's syndrome my whole life...

so I got that going for me

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

as evidence of me being right this entire thread and you calling Freeman and Flacco franchise QB's?

Right.

See: DSM-IV - Denial, Distortion, Projection.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Welp, there's the Projection. Right on queue.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Doesn't he have an opt-out clause after 2010 is over? Doesn't that PROVE that he's willing to cut bait on him and wasn't willing to go "all in"?

Pioli sacrificed a 2nd round pick on a player that was a"Pioli pick" which is from Kiper not me, and ignored Weis's opinion who was the former OC of the Patriots who helped Brady to what he is. That screams ego to the worst degree when Pioli makes a unilateral decision(pulls rank, executive decision) like that.