Weiss told Fox to take Clausen - Page 11

Chiefnj2 · 04-27-2010, 10:27 AM

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.''

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MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

Exactly. Like continuing to bring up Clausen.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

I'm just sick of hearing people bitch about Clausen. We didn't draft him. There's a reason why. What's the point of complaining about it now?

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Originally Posted by chiefnj

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

That doesn't look like complaining to me, and neither do the posts immediately after - until the troll showed up.

Looks like people are just having a football conversation, followed by watching the troll make an ass of himself.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-27-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Exactly. Like continuing to bring up Clausen.

I don't know where you got bringing up Clausen in that definition, unless you feel personally slighted because of it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Exactly. Like continuing to bring up Clausen.

Talking about a prospect we didn't take is maximum disruption?

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That doesn't look like complaining to me, and neither do the posts immediately after - until the troll showed up.

Looks like people are just having a football conversation, followed by watching the troll make an ass of himself.

I only have to go 4 posts in.

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And people will still believe that Weis didn't want him, and that Pioli really does listen to his coaching staff.

**** it.

Good luck to the kid. He landed in a pretty good situation. The only real concern is the possibility of a coaching change next year.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2010, 01:46 PM

**** it. You guys can continue to beat off over an average prospect and cry yourselves to sleep at night because our GM is so inept. It's pointless.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-27-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

**** it. You guys can continue to beat off over an average prospect and cry yourselves to sleep at night because our GM is so inept. It's pointless.

Again, why so are you offended when someone's opinion differs from yours?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

1. troll

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Na, Hootie isn't guilty of that.

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

Well, uh.

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

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A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

Like him or not, he fits those criteria to a T.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Again, why so are you offended when someone's opinion differs from yours?

You must not remember how you, OtWP, Dane, Mecca, etc. all gave me so much shit leading up to the draft because I said there was no way we'd draft Clausen. Nobody knew at that point that we'd actually pass up on him twice. I was called a true fan, an idiot, whatever else. Point is, we didn't take him. I don't want to take it to the point of "I was right, you were wrong", but I did take a lot of shit for saying what ultimately happened.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

I only have to go 4 posts in.

Speaking the truth from past experience is inciting an argument?

People have spent all weekend claiming that is we passed, it's because Weis doesn't want him. The posts don't lie.

Keep trying.

**the Talking Can** · 04-27-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

I'm just sick of hearing people bitch about Clausen. We didn't draft him. There's a reason why. What's the point of complaining about it now?

if you're "sick of hearing" people talk about things that don't interest you....then don't read it....

see how easy that is?

no one forced to click on the thread or read the posts....

quite acting like a baby

penchief · 04-27-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So Mortenson and King are both liars?

Mortenson REPORTED that Weis signed off PRE DRAFT on Clausen AFTER the selection.

You think Mort is going to risk getting shut out by teams by reporting information given to him in confidence before the draft?

Of course it's all bullshit, that's why it's being reported by two seperate reporters at two different media outlets.

You're taking this stuff way too personal. The way Hamas worded his post read like Weis gave his approval after they drafted him. I can see how it can be interpeted either way (that Mortensen reported it right afterward). I took it the other way.

That said, I'm not saying that it's bullshit that Mortenson reported it or even questioning that it happened. What I'm saying is bullshit is that the Clausen ball washers are trying to make more out of it than what it is. Especially by trying to say that it is evidence that Pioli doesn't listen to Weis. You have absolutely no proof of that.

Just because he told that to Fox doesn't mean he advocated that we take Clausen at five, or even at 36. You are not privvy to those conversations. As I said, this report is in no way an indication of the Pioli/Haley/Weis dynamic. To suggest so is utter bullshit, IMHO.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Speaking the truth from past experience is inciting an argument?

People have spent all weekend claiming that is we passed, it's because Weis doesn't want him. The posts don't lie.

Keep trying.

My argument all along has been that Weis' feelings had absolutely no bearing in how we drafted. Pioli would draft who he wanted. That seems to be the case.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

You must not remember how you, OtWP, Dane, Mecca, etc. all gave me so much shit leading up to the draft because I said there was no way we'd draft Clausen. Nobody knew at that point that we'd actually pass up on him twice. I was called a true fan, an idiot, whatever else. Point is, we didn't take him. I'm don't want to take it to the point of "I was right, you were wrong", but I did take a lot of shit for saying what ultimately happened.

I'd like to you link the post in question. You've made a claim, now back it up.

I don't recall ANYONE expecting us to take Clausen. My guess is that you were given shit for dismissing either the possibility of drafting him, or attempting to claim he's a shitty prospect.

I'll wait for those posts, with links to the threads they came from, so we can establish context.

**The Franchise** · 04-27-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

You must not remember how you, OtWP, Dane, Mecca, etc. all gave me so much shit leading up to the draft because I said there was no way we'd draft Clausen. Nobody knew at that point that we'd actually pass up on him twice. I was called a true fan, an idiot, whatever else. Point is, we didn't take him. I don't want to take it to the point of "I was right, you were wrong", but I did take a lot of shit for saying what ultimately happened.

Didn't you also say that we were going to take an OT at #5?

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