Weiss told Fox to take Clausen

[Chiefnj2]

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.''

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[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Then you (not personally you, I'm generalizing the board) can't go back and say, "well, we passed on him, Weis must not have wanted him."

You can't have it both ways.

That's true also. There's also the issue of wanting him, and thinking he's worth a 2, versus a 3 or a 4. And how much he wanted him.

"He'd be good to have as a backup in case of injury to Cassel since we don't have much in the way of quality backups" isn't the same as "We NEED him, Cassel isn't likely to get it done."

There's want, versus Want, versus WANT, versus MUST HAVE.

And nobody knows WTF Weis had to say there.

[The Franchise]

I've already come to the realization that we'll never know what happened. We'll never know if Weis argued for Clausen or if he told Pioli that he wasn't as good as Cassel.

What I DO know.....is that I'll be following Clausen's career as a Panther. Not because we passed on him....but because he went to the college that I'm a fan of.

It will be telling 5 years from now if Sanchez and Clausen are playing better than Cassel.....or not.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That doesn't shed any conclusive light on the situation.

Weis could have been standing on the table arguing for Clausen and was overruled by the man making the final decison.

We'll never know.

And that's just my point. If we're so certain that Weis wanted his man, and we didn't get him, then the only logical solution is that Pioli ran the draft as he wanted, not his staff. That's the point I've been trying to make.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Being said where, by whom? I haven't seen that. I don't disbelieve you, but the chatter that goes on here is unreliable.

All I've seen is that Weis recommended the guy to Fox, the coach of ANOTHER team...

I haven't seen it said from anywhere/anybody reliable. Some around here were certain that was the case, though.

[Pioli Zombie]

**** Clausen. **** him sideways. **** him from behind. **** him up GoChiefs sisters husband ass. **** Clausen with a horse. **** him with a broken bottle. **** him in prison. **** him **** him **** him. May peace be with you.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

That's true also. There's also the issue of wanting him, and thinking he's worth a 2, versus a 3 or a 4. And how much he wanted him.

"He'd be good to have as a backup in case of injury to Cassel since we don't have much in the way of quality backups" isn't the same as "We NEED him, Cassel isn't likely to get it done."

There's want, versus Want, versus WANT, versus MUST HAVE.

And nobody knows WTF Weis had to say there.

Throw perceived need into the equation as well.

[Brock]

We'll be going through all of this again next year, only moreso because a lot more prospects than this draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Brock

We'll be going through all of this again next year, only moreso because a lot more prospects than this draft.

Nah, I think the writing is on the wall for a lot of us.

Cassel is here for the long haul.

JMO.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I've already come to the realization that we'll never know what happened. We'll never know if Weis argued for Clausen or if he told Pioli that he wasn't as good as Cassel.

What I DO know.....is that I'll be following Clausen's career as a Panther. Not because we passed on him....but because he went to the college that I'm a fan of.

It will be telling 5 years from now if Sanchez and Clausen are playing better than Cassel.....or not.

This.

Between BRC's report of Weis wanting him, this report by King, TBG's report that Weis didn't want him here, and King's report that Clausen was never an option in KC, I really don't know what to believe at this point.

Personally I would've taken him with 2A but we will probably never know for sure what happened. Should be interesting watching the three QB's over the next few years.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's fine, but people need to be consistent.

Your stance is that the comment in question doesn't prove that Pioli overruled Weis.

Fine.

Then you (not personally you, I'm generalizing the board) can't go back and say, "well, we passed on him, Weis must not have wanted him."

You can't have it both ways.

This is a perfect example:



That doesn't shed any conclusive light on the situation.

Weis could have been standing on the table arguing for Clausen and was overruled by the man making the final decison.

We'll never know.

I have never said that Weis must not have wanted him. I've simply said that the draft proved he wasn't worth the fifth overall pick and the fact that we passed over him twice does suggest that (as a franchise) we liked other players better. The fact that he lasted until the 48th pick validates that position. And who knows how far he would have dropped had Carolina (a quarterback hungry team) not taken him.

Now, my only beef is not with the report but with the attempt to present it as evidence that Weis jumped up and down screaming for Clausen and the ONLY reason we didn't draft him was because Pioli is incompetent and overruled him. To me, that's bullshit. That's making a lot of assumptions without any proof.

Clausen went to a team that drafted three quarterbacks in the same draft. They drafted Armanti Edwards in the 3rd and Tony Pike in the 6th. Sounds to me like they were going to take whatever they could get their hands on moreso than they thought Clausen was a sure-fire franchise quarterback. Because if you thought that you'd nailed it in the second round why would you throw two more draft choices at such a high risk position?

Listen, I hope Clausen succeeds. I don't wish ill-will on anyone. But on the flip-side, I also think it is completely unfair to the chiefs front office to keep casting aspersions based on nothing more than speculation.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Brock

We'll be going through all of this again next year, only moreso because a lot more prospects than this draft.

i only wish....more likely Cassel has 2 years before we even consider drafting a QB...no chance next year...

after this year, if things go badly, they'll say the next year is make-or-break...then they'll again draft to help him out..

2012, if we're lucky


it's obvious Cassel is Pioli's guy, maybe even more than Haley...

[Hootie]

if we took Clausen at #5, I would have been fine with it...that would have meant we knew something other teams didn't know and I would have supported the pick...

the fact we passed on him twice is all I needed to know about Jimmy Clausen.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Brock

We'll be going through all of this again next year, only moreso because a lot more prospects than this draft.

I will. And since it will be one of my favorite Husky's of all time, I expect next year is the year I go bat shit. Unless of course Cassel surprises us all and lights the world on fire this year.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I will. And since it will be one of my favorite Husky's of all time, I expect next year is the year I go bat shit. Unless of course Cassel surprises us all and lights the world on fire this year.

Next year we will all be divided into camps. Locker vs Mallett vs Gabbert vs Luck. Throw in the trenches crowd and it should be a blood bath.

[orange]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.'

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And people will still believe that Weis didn't want him, and that Pioli really does listen to his coaching staff.

Sounds like there was never any chance that the Chiefs would take him.