Chiefs Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him - Page 4

Quesadilla Joe · 06-19-2010, 06:28 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-around-him/

After signing a $40 million contract and leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs last year, quarterback Matt Cassel saw his passer rating drop from 89.4 in 2008 to 69.9 in 2009.

Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks that had less to do with Cassel and more to do with the players around him.

"We had 50-plus drops last season. If those don't happen, people would look at Cassel differently," Haley told ESPN.com. "If we get the improved offensive play around him that we hope to, I think people will feel better about Matt Cassel."

Haley thinks the Chiefs have improved the talent on offense, and he says Cassel is doing the necessary work this offseason to make people feel better about him.

"This guy is making progress in a bunch of ways," Haley said. "He had a very difficult year last year, but he didn't crack. That's a good sign. He has been one of our best workers this offseason, if not the best. He's working."

Just Passin' By · 06-19-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

How about naming a QB whose every single deep ball is like that? I can name one for sure.

Now you're just full of shit.

Just Passin' By · 06-19-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ignoring the oil spill, how would you rate the quality of the water in the Gulf?

Given that they are still swimming at the beaches, I'd say it's fine.

milkman · 06-19-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Given that my question was about the first half of the season, yes it is irrelevant.

Yeah, because you can not simply cherry pick how you want to evaluate his play.

He sucked in the first half of the season.

He sucked in the second half, and the play around him in the first half doesn't give him a pass.

**DeezNutz** · 06-19-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Given that they are still swimming at the beaches, I'd say it's fine.

Ok.

Given that Tyler Thigpen--yeah, that Tyler Thigpen--posted better stats in 4 less starts, I'd say the talent was fine.

milkman · 06-19-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Now you're just full of shit.

Embellishing slightly, maybe.

But there isn't another QB whose deep ball is or that has been consistently as bad as Cassel's.

orange · 06-19-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

90 percent of NFL players absolutely dominated on the high school level, and played for major universities at the college level.

And then there's Cassel.

**DeezNutz** · 06-19-2010, 11:23 AM

This is a pointless exchange.

Fact: Cassel played like shit in '09.
Fact: He is going to get another chance in '10, and he must play better. No excuses.

orange · 06-19-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I'm sorry but putting hair on Pioli just destroys all identification.

Just Passin' By · 06-19-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah, because you can not simply cherry pick how you want to evaluate his play.

He sucked in the first half of the season.

He sucked in the second half, and the play around him in the first half doesn't give him a pass.

The team around him sucked in the first half. Cassel was hitting players on the numbers and they were dropping the ball. Cassel was running for his life on almost every pass. The running game was 3 feet and a cloud of dust.

It should come as no surprise to anyone with a brain that such a situation would impact the QB and lead to bad habits which will have to be undone. Then again, expecting some of you to use your brains is clearly asking too much.

It's one thing to criticize the player. It's another thing to ignore everything that was going on around him in your haste to bash the guy.

Brock · 06-19-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Now you're just full of shit.

I'm exaggerating, but not very much. His deep ball sucks. It's inarguable.

milkman · 06-19-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The team around him sucked in the first half. Cassel was hitting players on the numbers and they were dropping the ball. Cassel was running for his life on almost every pass. The running game was 3 feet and a cloud of dust.

It should come as no surprise to anyone with a brain that such a situation would impact the QB and lead to bad habits which will have to be undone. Then again, expecting some of you to use your brains is clearly asking too much.

It's one thing to criticize the player. It's another thing to ignore everything that was going on around him in your haste to bash the guy.

Even in the first half of the season before the play improved, he left the pocket well before he had too in many of those situations that you refer to as "running for his life", a problem that I bitched about again and again as the season progressed from week one, and sonething that I noted he did when I watched replays of the Patriot games on NFLN from '08.

And he rarely it his receivers in teh numbers.

You're a ****ing idiot to suggest that was the case.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-19-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bane_58

Hasn't that been the general consensus anyway? Surround him with 8 pro bowlers and he'll be a good QB....

Yes, it's the necessary key to insure a hard-fought loss in rounds 1 or 2.

Consistently.

Snakebit FTW!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-19-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

And there it was; the cold, hard Truth.

**Bane** · 06-19-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ROR

Yes, it's the necessary key to insure a hard-fought loss in rounds 1 or 2.

Consistently.

Snakebit FTW!

Just Passin' By · 06-19-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Even in the first half of the season before the play improved, he left the pocket well before he had too in many of those situations that you refer to as "running for his life", a problem that I bitched about again and again as the season progressed from week one, and sonething that I noted he did when I watched replays of the Patriot games on NFLN from '08.

And he rarely it his receivers in teh numbers.

You're a ****ing idiot to suggest that was the case.

Of course, you ignore the reality that scrambling is part of what scrambling QBs do, that there was generally no pocket to stay in, and the impact that the 10 players who were not playing at decent NFL level around him would have upon him game after game.

So your analysis is worthless, but you got to crack out another insult to someone who got it more accurately than you did. 50/50 post for you. Congrats!

06-19-2010, 06:28 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-around-him/ After signing a $40 million contract and leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs last year, quarterback Matt Cassel saw his passer rating drop from 89.4 in 2008 to 69.9 in 2009. Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks that had less to do with Cassel and more to do with the players around him. "We had 50-plus drops last season. If those don't happen, people would look at Cassel differently," Haley told ESPN.com. "If we get the improved offensive play around him that we hope to, I think people will feel better about Matt Cassel." Haley thinks the Chiefs have improved the talent on offense, and he says Cassel is doing the necessary work this offseason to make people feel better about him. "This guy is making progress in a bunch of ways," Haley said. "He had a very difficult year last year, but he didn't crack. That's a good sign. He has been one of our best workers this offseason, if not the best. He's working."
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