Someone review Tyson Jackson and rest of Dline.

[googlegoogle]

Len and Mitch said the Dline looked good.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

It's something we've been trying to figure out for months now.

BossChief and I have talked about it a couple of times in the last year.

Yeah, I've mentioned it several times in the past year as well.

It just doesn't make any sense. I guess these guys are just too set in their ways but how can you look at Dallas game film and not think "Wow, Dorsey and Gilberry would be totally bad ass in that scheme?".

It's bizarre.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I've mentioned it several times in the past year as well.

It just doesn't make any sense. I guess these guys are just too set in their ways but how can you look at Dallas game film and not think "Wow, Dorsey and Gilberry would be totally bad ass in that scheme?".

It's bizarre.

Because stubburn old coaches think that their way is the only way.


Our D-coordinator had success in the old NFL. We will see how he does when the D-Backs can't rape the WR's all the way down the field.

[BossChief]

I remember Warren Sapp clowning the Raiders publicly for using him in the same way we are currently using Dorsey in a 3-4 2 gap scheme.

Said it was the biggest waste of talent possible and thats how I see this current situation.

It speaks volumes how much character the kid has that he hasn't talked about it in the public because it surely is hurting his career. He should be a guy that is getting 8-12 sacks per year and disrupting, but is just taking up blockers.

stupid

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by notorious

Because stubburn old coaches think that their way is the only way.


Our D-coordinator had success in the old NFL. We will see how he does when the D-Backs can't rape the WR's all the way down the field.

That's the problem with hiring guys from a particular "tree".

Often times, they can't think out of the box.

There are a few instances of guys separating themselves (Holmgren, McCarthy and Reid come to mind - all Bill Walsh disciples) but more often, it's guys like Haley that follow the "formula" to a tee, without adding any wrinkles that ultimately fail.

I wasn't in favor of hiring Crennel, although I supported the Weis hiring. But Weis is ahead of the curve due to JC, D-Bowe, Chambers and now McCluster.

Romeo is going to need to do something drastic or his defense won't move much past Pendergast's in terms of overall performance.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Because the Chiefs don't run the aggressive Dallas type of 3-4, we run a 3-4 that is essentially the cover 2 of 3-4.

I thought we were very aggressive against Tampa. Especially for it being preseason. Maybe I saw something that wasnt there.

How do you know the Chiefs are going to run a "cover 2" version of a 3-4 defense anyway? We're 2 games into the preseason with a new D coordinator that doesn't have a reputation running the defense your trying to describe.

Im not trying to be a prick or anything. But you come across as someone who get's no enjoyment out of football what so ever. Like you somehow have something to lose. It's supposed to be fun. Why choose to torture yourself? Or am I wrong about my perception on that?

[BossChief]

This is the first I can find of me bringing it up....from 10-19-09

Interesting thread to read back through BTW... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ht=wade&page=6

Originally Posted by BossChief

again, it goes back to what style of 3-4 is ran.

Do we need a huge space eater at nt like Jamaal Williams for SD?

Possibly a penetrating type similar to what the Cowboys have (I hope we draft Suh, place him at rde and play Dorsey similarly to how Dallas uses their NT)

Just because we run a 3-4 doesnt mean we are hamstrung to running a traditional one.

[ChiefsCountry]

Its bc its not the ****in Patriot Way of doing things.

[BossChief]

One of my pet peeves is when a new staff takes over any team and tries to force 'their scheme' on the players instead of evaluating the teams current talent and incorporating a scheme that best fits the talent they have on board.

This is exactly why I wasnt a big fan of the way this whole thing went over.

Billicheck didn't do this when he got to NE...he kept the 4-3 and built (for 2 years) the talent for a 3-4 while still putting a quality 4-3 out there the team could win with.

That so far is the difference between genius and what we did.

I bet ya if BB took over here last year, we are still a 4-3 defense.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I bet ya if BB took over here last year, we are still a 4-3 defense.

But we needed to get almost all new players used to running a 3-4 as soon as possible, even when the old players were about to turn the corner and produce in the 4-3.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by BossChief

One of my pet peeves is when a new staff takes over any team and tries to force 'their scheme' on the players instead of evaluating the teams current talent and incorporating a scheme that best fits the talent they have on board.

This is exactly why I wasnt a big fan of the way this whole thing went over.

Billicheck didn't do this when he got to NE...he kept the 4-3 and built (for 2 years) the talent for a 3-4 while still putting a quality 4-3 out there the team could win with.

That so far is the difference between genius and what we did.

I bet ya if BB took over here last year, we are still a 4-3 defense.

Its why Pioli wasn't the brains behind New England's dyntasy.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by notorious

But we needed to get almost all new players used to running a 3-4 as soon as possible, even when the old players were about to turn the corner and produce in the 4-3.

FTR I had no problem changing schemes.

I had a problem changing schemes to one that we had almost no pieces for that were already in place.

Drafting Jackson was a sign that "we are gonna force our scheme to work here"

I just hope Romeo does what he says (interview at the senior bowl iirc...maybe it was at the combine) and doesn't cement himself to a certain scheme and instead goes by what worked for him in NE...take away what the opposing offense wants to do and take them out of their comfort level to try and force them into mistakes. If we just sit back and allow teams to attack us all year long I (and many others) will be very displeased by that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, for the life of me, I can't figure out why the Chiefs aren't running Dorsey at NT like Jay Ratliff in Dallas with Jackson, Dorsey and Gilberry as starters.

Rotate Magee and Smith at DE with either Lokey/Edwards at the nose.

Penetrate and attack.

Dane, it's pretty unfortunately actually. As I've said before (being the only Herm supporter on the board), I think this defense could have been really, really badass if they stuck to the 4-3. Especially if you consider that they could have drafted Orakpo. Can you imagine a D-line w/Hali-Dorsey-Tank-Orakpo, with Flowers, Carr, Pollard, and Page in the secondary? They'd be a few pieces away from being a top defense (don't even get me started on if Jared Allen was still here, rushing in front of FLowers/Carr... woof).

So if I had my pick, I wish Pioli would have stuck w/the 4-3. And now that he came in, I have a bad feeling the 2-gap 3-4 is a bit outdated and I especially worry that we're force-fitting into the scheme. I think Romeo is as good of a 2-gap DC as you'll find, but it doesn't change the fact that it probably shouldn't have been run in the first place. I also wonder if drafting Tyson Jackson almost tied the team to the 2-gap.

Oh well, it is what it is. I hope they can make it work and make it work quick. Unfortunately, you're absolutely right that it could have worked much better if they did some major things very differently.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its why Pioli wasn't the brains behind New England's dyntasy.

He wasn't the brains behind it, but he was a much bigger brain there than people give him credit for.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He wasn't the brains behind it, but he was a much bigger brain there than people give him credit for.

Speculation.

To date, Pioli hasn't made even one move that would indicate that he was the "Executive of the Decade".

And Eric Berry falling into his lap at #5 doesn't count.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Speculation.

To date, Pioli hasn't made even one move that would indicate that he was the "Executive of the Decade".

And Eric Berry falling into his lap at #5 doesn't count.

I don't think it's speculation. I'm not saying he can do it without BB. But it's been well documented that the two relied heavily on each other. I don't think anyone can say for sure if BB could have done it without Pioli or if Pioli could have done it without BB.

I'm not saying Pioli's doing a good job now and he certainly hasn't proven he can do it alone. I just don't buy into any ridiculous claim that he was somehow a background piece in New England. Anyone who's read books on the Patriot Way knows that when it came to personnel, BB told Pioli what he wanted/needed and trusted Pioli 100% to use his scouting network to get him exactly what he needed.