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Old 08-27-2010, 08:26 PM  
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14 of 23 for 85 ****ing yards?
Are we playing it close to the vest or are we going to keep Cassel on the NFL's shortest leash all season long?

I sincerely hope it's the former, because the latter will be a bunch of bullshit.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:21 AM   #226
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Im not even sure why they dont just have Cassel operate out of the shotgun everytime? Its obvious, thats what he does best.

Whatever the case, we will never win anything with this turd. Wish we could flush him down the toilet, but we are stuck with him for this year. How long does Haley stick with him? When the Chiefs are 0-5, 1-7 like last year?? Thats gonna cost Haley his job.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:31 AM   #227
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Ha.... Looks like the Cassel confidence took a mighty swing during this game...
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:37 AM   #228
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To me, Cassel looks like a duffer who's thinking about his swing too much.

Weis has probably been hammering stuff into the doofus' noggin about footwork, timing, clearing routes, hot reads, checkdowns, and interceptions until he's paralyzed. His punkin' can only hold so much information, after all. The hurry-up and shotgun formation probably alleviate that somewhat.

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Old 08-28-2010, 08:46 AM   #229
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My consern is him getting our Wrs killed. Mcluster shouldn't got laid out like that on the swing pass. Give a guy a chance. NOT one second did Mcluster catch it and wap nailed. Trent Green talked about that some and accuracy in the booth. Accuracy isnt catch % it's were you place the ball for the recievers to catch it.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:53 AM   #230
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On the play before McCluster got clobbered he ran the same route and was wide open and might have picked up some nice yardage. Trouble was Cassel never even looked his way.
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Old 08-28-2010, 07:13 PM   #231
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Im not even sure why they dont just have Cassel operate out of the shotgun everytime? Its obvious, thats what he does best.
That is exactly what I noted about his game in New England.

He simply isn't good out of the pro set, and his game improved measurably when the Patriors started using teh shotgun spread offense pretty much as their base offense.

He hasn't gotten any better in the pro set since..

He is a taller Tyler Thipgpen.
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Old 08-28-2010, 07:19 PM   #232
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To me, Cassel looks like a duffer who's thinking about his swing too much.

Weis has probably been hammering stuff into the doofus' noggin about footwork, timing, clearing routes, hot reads, checkdowns, and interceptions until he's paralyzed. His punkin' can only hold so much information, after all. The hurry-up and shotgun formation probably alleviate that somewhat.

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Old 08-28-2010, 08:33 PM   #233
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Jesus.

First Cassel, now Tamba?

Great players make others around them great, not the other way around.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. This so-called "dominating" performance has made me sleepy. 14 points in 3 quarters is Arena League, and exhausting.
I've seen Cassel get surrounded with better talent and he doesn't seem to be improving. The one consistent thing that I see with Tamba is that he very often beats his guy off the edge, but the QB has so much freaking space in the pocket that all he has to do is step up in the pocket and it forces Hali to completely change in direction. People say he slips and falls and misses sacks, but I don't see it that way. I think an average Nose Tackle next to him would help him get a few more sacks. Easily.

So I'm w/GoChiefs on this. It's not even just him. You hear a lot of people outside of KC talk about Hali as a guy offenses really pay attention to. I don't know how "great" Hali is. But I do know that he's managed to put up good production around a cast of misfits. So I believe that is saying a lot. With more consistent play from Dorsey and with average NOse Tackle play, I think he could easily rack up more than 10 sacks.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:49 PM   #234
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I've seen Cassel get surrounded with better talent and he doesn't seem to be improving. The one consistent thing that I see with Tamba is that he very often beats his guy off the edge, but the QB has so much freaking space in the pocket that all he has to do is step up in the pocket and it forces Hali to completely change in direction. People say he slips and falls and misses sacks, but I don't see it that way. I think an average Nose Tackle next to him would help him get a few more sacks. Easily.

So I'm w/GoChiefs on this. It's not even just him. You hear a lot of people outside of KC talk about Hali as a guy offenses really pay attention to. I don't know how "great" Hali is. But I do know that he's managed to put up good production around a cast of misfits. So I believe that is saying a lot. With more consistent play from Dorsey and with average NOse Tackle play, I think he could easily rack up more than 10 sacks.
The missed sack on Kolb is a microcosm of Hali's career in KC, and the miss was no one else's fault but his own.

Thus, we're presented with two options: 1. Praise him for getting pressure in the first place 2.) Bitch at him for failing to complete the play.

Both are equally true.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:54 PM   #235
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The missed sack on Kolb is a microcosm of Hali's career in KC, and the miss was no one else's fault but his own.

Thus, we're presented with two options: 1. Praise him for getting pressure in the first place 2.) Bitch at him for failing to complete the play.

Both are equally true.
I don't know what play you're referencing. I'm just pointing out the numerous plays where he beats his guy off the edge, but the QB easily slips forward into a massive pocket. When a QB does that, it's really difficult to ask Hali to change direction on a dime or to lay the wood on the guy when you have to change your momentum. It just so happens that Hali seems to be at his best when he's doing that kind of a speed rush.
We're not even talking about having a great NOse Tackle. An average NOse Tackle would push the pile back enough that a QB doesn't have a lot of space to escape. Or at least you force the QB to start moving into spots he shouldn't or rushing throws he shouldn't.

I truly believe a lot of those misses turn into hurries and sacks if you have average play at Nose Tackle. So when you say we should bitch at him for not completing the play, how many of those were the result of not completing the play? And how many of those were the result of poor Nose Tackle play forcing Hali to take an extremely difficult tackling angle to finish the play? It's like yelling at a Safety for not making a play in the flats even though it was the corner that blew the coverage.
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He is a taller Tyler Thipgpen.

Yep, pretty much....
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:02 PM   #238
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The only difference in Cassel and Thigpen is that I think Cassel is better at reading defenses. I think mentally he's a pro, he just lacks the arm strength and accuracy to be a Pro Bowler.

I don't buy this "all Cassel does is make one read" stuff that's been floating around because I've seen him go through progressions and make good decisions, both in New England and KC. I never felt like Thigpen had that down. The pro game always seemed to big for him.

With Cassel I more get the feeling that he's just not talented enough to be a real difference maker. He's Jake Plummer with two inches tacked on. If you surround him with the right guys he might lead you to a winning season but that's about it.
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The only difference in Cassel and Thigpen is that I think Cassel is better at reading defenses. I think mentally he's a pro, he just lacks the arm strength and accuracy to be a Pro Bowler.

I don't buy this "all Cassel does is make one read" stuff that's been floating around because I've seen him go through progressions and make good decisions, both in New England and KC. I never felt like Thigpen had that down. The pro game always seemed to big for him.

With Cassel I more get the feeling that he's just not talented enough to be a real difference maker. He's Jake Plummer with two inches tacked on. If you surround him with the right guys he might lead you to a winning season but that's about it.
A stop gap guy, that we havent been smart enough to develop someone behind yet. His loudest critics on this board are looking to push buttons and they are getting exactly what they want.
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A stop gap guy, that we havent been smart enough to develop someone behind yet. His loudest critics on this board are looking to push buttons and they are getting exactly what they want.
Stop gap guy? Are you telling me Pioli traded a second round pick, gave the highest contract in franchise history, with no legitimate competition, to a stop gap guy?

Holy shit.
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