Looney ... The Morning After: Philadelphia

[Brock]

Cassel is a below average quarterback. No further explanation needed.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Brock

Cassel is a below average quarterback. No further explanation needed.

The QB always gets far more blame than he should when a team is losing. Watching this board lose its collective mind has served to demonstrate that once again.

[Brock]

Losing's got nothing to do with it. If the team were winning, I'd still be shaking my head at the way Cassel looks like he doesn't know what to do on any given play.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Brock

Losing's got nothing to do with it. If the team were winning, I'd still be shaking my head at the way Cassel looks like he doesn't know what to do on any given play.

Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

Yeah, sure, dumbass.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

If we are talking about the collective portrayal, he's been worse.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

He's been barely adequate at times. Most of the time not, though.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

I touched the issue on this thread.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...232598&page=19

But will copy and paste it on here, just to save everybody the trouble.

Originally Posted by Coach

While he was here in KC for one season, he did play in NE for a season, if I am not mistaken, and numberous of posters here, before and during the 2009 season pointed out the flaws that Cassel had during his time in NE, and that has carried over here to KC. Namely the issue here is that he holds on to the ball too long/unaware of his surroundings that he takes unacceptable sacks.

Last year, he was given a chance, especially at a stage where the offensive line play was actually better during the end of the season, and that Charles became a legitimate playmaker that the Chiefs needed in a bad way. The first half of the 2009 season, I gave him several passes due to the fact that our offensive line play was a big steaming pile of shit, and Larry Johnson's infamous 2.7 YPC, and the receivers was also full of steaming pile of shit as well.

Now when the offensive line play was improved at the end of the season, awful as it may seem, just barely passable, plus with the addition of Charles of having a legitimate threat to score whenever he touches the ball, you'd think with those two improvements, the QB play should have improved, other than having a steaming pile of shit receiving corps. Unfortunately, with the improvement of offensive line play and the addition of Charles, Cassel's play actually was worse.

On Oct 26 in 2009, is the date that Larry Johnson's twitter incident came into light. That set the motions of him getting suspended and having his ass cut, which prompted Charles into the starting role in November. Before Charles, the Chiefs total rushing, as a team, before Week 10 (since there are 16 games, split it to 2 8 games), was 788 yards on 208 attempts, which translate into a 3.8 YPC.

During that first 8 games, Cassel's numbers was 125 completions, 225 attempts (55.6 comp. %) for 1256 yards. 5.58 YPC, 10 TD's, 5 INT's with a QB rating of 77.2. Given the situation and offensive line play, along with Larry Johnson not contributing to anything, it's "passable" considering the situation(s) involved.

Now, the last 8 games of the season, as a team, from Week 10 to 17, the Chiefs total rushing, as a team, was 219 attempts for 1148 yards, a 5.2 YPC. Some of this can be contributed to Charles, but also better line play as well.

During that last 8 games, Cassel's numbers was 146 completions, 268 attempts (54.5 comp. %) for 1668 yards. 6.22 YPC, 6 TD's, 11 INT's with a QB rating of 63.8. That is unacceptable due to the fact that the offensive line play gotten better and having Charles being involved.

His numbers did not improve, which it SHOULD have when the line play was better and Charles was doing something that Larry Johnson couldn't do. Cassel's play DID not improve, in fact, it actually regressed worse than his first 8 games. Had his numbers stayed the same or shown SOME improvement, he wouldn't have this much criticism on the board.

And finally, as far as the GM is concerned, the first year during his watch was an abortion of all ages. Drafting Tyson Jackson? Ouch, that's going to hurt this franchise more than it's going to do good. McGee? Brutal. It's really sad that the only person that actually had more value than he was slotted in his pick was Succop. Giving Cassel that big contract, even though he was under KC's control for the next two years during that time, if I am not mistaken. And finally, it was really sad just to have the twitter incident was probably the final straw that had to make him get rid of him. I would have gotten rid of LJ by week 4/5 since it was apparent he was done. But the Chiefs had to drag it out till Week 9, unfortunately.

The second year, the jury is still out on that, but, it has shown some promise. This year's draft picks may (or may not, depending on who you speak to) be one of the good draft picks KC had in some time. Berry, that's obvious. McCluster, I liked the pick. Arenas, I also liked the pick. We all saw what he's capable of doing on special teams, and I think he'll develop into a nice fine nickel corner. Kendrick Lewis is looking like a good pick, based of his play on pre-season. Again, I know it's early, but in my opinion, it is favorable so far. Still does not take out the sting of drafting Jackson though.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Coach

I touched the issue on this thread.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...232598&page=19

But will copy and paste it on here, just to save everybody the trouble.

Cassel developed some bad habits over the course of last season, because he spent the first half of the year running for his life and having to throw the ball to people who usually weren't open, and who often couldn't catch the ball even when they were. His play still shows the effects of that, because it's obvious that he has absolutely no confidence in that line. It's the sort of thing happens with most quarterbacks during games when the team is getting overwhelmed. It happened enough to Cassel last year that he's expecting it every game now, and the important thing moving forward is what he does about it, because he definitely let it get to him over the course of last season. His attitude on the field is also something I'd be worried about if I were the coaching staff, because he's at the point where he's letting every failed play get to him in a way you can see on the field, and his teammates are certainly going to notice that.

But noting those issues, and bitching about everything the man does, are two different things. He made some very nice throws against Philadelphia, and he had the team in the game when he left the field, yet some of the posters here are acting as if he went 0-for-60 and knifed six little old ladies during the timeouts.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

Thank you and I agree. Seriously he hasn't been good but good god people try to act like like a frikking adult not a 2 year old. We are stuck there is nothing better out there we can get. He's so far been below average and has acted scared. I say good if that's the way he ends the season we will part ways with him and get a new possible QBOTF in here and hopefully we will finally hit on one.

Myself I'm still hoping that he improves and proves all of us wrong. I refuse to get my dander up over it till there is a better option. If we get somebody better then I'll get upset if he's still playing, till then psssfft...

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Thank you and I agree. Seriously he hasn't been good but good god people try to act like like a frikking adult not a 2 year old. We are stuck there is nothing better out there we can get. He's so far been below average and has acted scared. I say good if that's the way he ends the season we will part ways with him and get a new possible QBOTF in here and hopefully we will finally hit on one.

Myself I'm still hoping that he improves and proves all of us wrong. I refuse to get my dander up over it till there is a better option. If we get somebody better then I'll get upset if he's still playing, till then psssfft...

I love this. "Yeah, he's stunk the joint up, but we're stuck with him, so why complain". Some of you have clearly been eating shit for so long you're learning to like it.