Chiefs Wins and losses ... you make the call - Page 8

Mr. Laz · 08-30-2010, 02:45 PM

predict the wins,losses and record

Wk	Date	Game	Stadium	Time (ET)
1	Sep 13	SD @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	10:15 PM
2	Sep 19	KC @ CLE	Cleveland Browns Stadium	1:00 PM
3	Sep 26	SF @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM
4	Bye
5	Oct 10	KC @ IND	Lucas Oil Stadium	1:00 PM
6	Oct 17	KC @ HOU	Reliant Stadium	1:00 PM
7	Oct 24	JAC @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM
8	Oct 31	BUF @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM
9	Nov 07	KC @ OAK	Oakland Coliseum	4:15 PM
10	Nov 14	KC @ DEN	Invesco Field at Mile High	4:05 PM
11	Nov 21	ARI @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM
12	Nov 28	KC @ SEA	Qwest Field	4:05 PM
13	Dec 05	DEN @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM
14	Dec 12	KC @ SD	Qualcomm Stadium	4:15 PM
15	Dec 19	KC @ STL	Edward Jones Dome	1:00 PM
16	Dec 26	TEN @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM
17	Jan 02	OAK @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-30-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're really going to sit here and tell me the ONLY major problem the Chiefs had on offense going into the season was the QB? How many times did you and everyone else say that this team needs PLAYMAKERS? Having one playmaker on offense isn't going to help you win games, especially when he can only carry the ball 15 times per game.

Washington/Cody don't even make this defense dominant. They make them a top 15 defense, maybe. A top 15 defense and a bottom 10 offense.... yeah, that's the formula for 8-8.

Why do you keep ignoring that this team scored TWENTY-ONE POINTS PER GAME once Charles took over?

That's good for a 14-16 ranking most years, and plenty enough to win games, provided you can STOP THE ****ING RUN.

You keep talking around something you know you can't dispute:

That with even an average run defense last year, this team wins 6 games minimum, and potentially 8.

BryanBusby · 08-30-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm basing this off of front offices making the market for their Nose Tackles.

Had Wilfork hit the open market, I believe he would have gone elsewhere and the Pats would have had no qualms about it. Because I also saw Ryan Pickett get signed for a measley $25M and the 49ers not caring enough for Aubrayo Franklin to give him more than a franchise 1-year tender, even though he'll likely walk after this season.

Nose Tackles aren't impossible to find. The Chiefs just have to use more than undrafted picks to bring them in.

Guess I should of actually completed my thought in that last post. What I was trying to get to was that vital positions in the 3-4 (NT is one of them!) will and actually is starting to (with Wilfork) to get a lot more expensive to retain. There are a lot of teams jumping on the latest defensive fad and the quality talent pool to run it isn't that deep.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-30-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious post?

How many touches do you think Julio Jones is going to get a game?

Is Cassel the QB?

Which is part of the point.

You can put all the playmakers you want on the offense, as long as the franchise hitches it's wagon to Cassel, you're not getting as much out of them as you should.

Doing something to fix a run defense that allowed close to 170 per game, while doing NOTHING to the offense is good enough for 8 wins with this schedule, and possibly more - in spite of the QB.

Christ, we're talking about the most fundamental principle in football - you won't win if you can't stop the run.

(unless you have a Peyton Manning-type that can put an entire team on his back)

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-30-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious post?

How many touches do you think Julio Jones is going to get a game?

If Cassel's his QB, probably one

**DeezNutz** · 08-30-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Is Cassel the QB?

What is Jones as the scape-goat for Cassel's failings, Alex?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-30-2010, 05:52 PM

Class is about to start, I gotta leave this to Deez and Dane.

Later.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Guess I should of actually completed my thought in that last post. What I was trying to get to was that vital positions in the 3-4 (NT is one of them!) will and actually is starting to (with Wilfork) to get a lot more expensive to retain. There are a lot of teams jumping on the latest defensive fad and the quality talent pool to run it isn't that deep.

Remains to be seen. Wilfork is the exception, not the rule. Apart from Wilfork, rarely are NTs paid a whole lot more than about $30M. Even the best ones.

Mr. Laz · 08-30-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Class is about to start, I gotta leave this to Deez and Dane.

Later.

how cute

they will miss you XoXoXo

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why do you keep ignoring that this team scored TWENTY-ONE POINTS PER GAME once Charles took over?

That's good for a 14-16 ranking most years, and plenty enough to win games, provided you can STOP THE ****ING RUN.

You keep talking around something you know you can't dispute:

That with even an average run defense last year, this team wins 6 games minimum, and potentially 8.

Because you're acting like a better offense wouldn't have won those games either. How many of our first 8 games would we have won if we didn't completely shit our pants on pass offense? Dallas, Oakland, arguably Baltimore. Given that 5 out of our last 8 games, we scored 14 points or less, you don't think offensive improvement was a priority?

If you improve our run defense, our defense still has major issues and our offense is just as bad as last year. Jamaal Charles is a hell of a back, but he's a 15-carry a game guy and without McCluster, he's the only damn guy on the field anybody on defense will pay attention to.

The idea that we could have improved this team to better than 8-8 based on 2 moves? That's ****ing insane.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Is Cassel the QB?

Which is part of the point.

You can put all the playmakers you want on the offense, as long as the franchise hitches it's wagon to Cassel, you're not getting as much out of them as you should.

Doing something to fix a run defense that allowed close to 170 per game, while doing NOTHING to the offense is good enough for 8 wins with this schedule, and possibly more - in spite of the QB.

Christ, we're talking about the most fundamental principle in football - you won't win if you can't stop the run.

(unless you have a Peyton Manning-type that can put an entire team on his back)

If Cassel is the QB, we're not going anywhere anyway. Regardless of how amazing our defense is.

Just because Cassel is on this team today doesn't mean you completely ignore the offense.

I'd rather a balanced team than to be dominant on only one side of the ball. If McCluster is everything he's cracked up to be, he's more than worth the pick even if it comes at the expense of run D... (for one season where we weren't going to compete anyway).

**DeezNutz** · 08-30-2010, 06:03 PM

What was the other move, zilla? NT and QB?

Honestly, this doesn't even strike me as arguable if these are the positions, since we're talking about, hands-down, the two most essential positions on their respective sides of the ball.

To use a baseball analogy, it's somewhat like talking about adding a #1 SP and 3-hole hitter and claiming that you won't win significantly more games. Uh, yeah...you will.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What was the other move, zilla? NT and QB?

Honestly, this doesn't even strike me as arguable if these are the positions, since we're talking about, hands-down, the two most essential positions on their respective sides of the ball.

To use a baseball analogy, it's somewhat like talking about adding a #1 SP and 3-hole hitter and claiming that you won't win significantly more games. Uh, yeah...you will.

He's talking about an ILB and a NT.

You won't get any argument out of me that we need to improve our QB play and it's probably not Cassel. At the same time, we talk a lot about getting first round QBs, and much as I hyped up Clausen before the draft, 32 teams say he aien't.

Mecca · 08-30-2010, 06:06 PM

I said it then and I'll say it now, when your a team that lacks foundation pieces, like you know an entire front 7, using 2nd round picks to take role players is extremely shortsighted.

It's like putting a really nice stereo in your car that's worth 300 dollars that needs a new axle and engine.

MadMax · 08-30-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's a major need when your starting quarterback needs 16 completions to move a team 80 yards for a score.

Don't discount the picks, fumbles and sacks

Sure-Oz · 08-30-2010, 06:07 PM

I'm hoping for 8-8 at best, probably will be 6-10

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