Chiefs cut someone to make room for NT Anthony Toribio

[chief4life]

WR Quinten Lawrence released to make room for NT Anthony Toribio #Chiefs

from @JoshLooney

via Twitter Glad he is gone i think he should of been cut earlier.

[boogblaster]

can this NT play or is he more fodder ....

[Mecca]

There's also a such thing as a ceiling, Tyson Jackson's ceiling is the type of ceiling that 3rd round picks generally have...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

There's also a such thing as a ceiling, Tyson Jackson's ceiling is the type of ceiling that 3rd round picks generally have...

Which means that Magee, like Jarron Gilbert, should have been cut.

[Mecca]

If Gilbert catches on with a 3-4 team he'll be ok, he was never suited to play DT.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Based on what, sheer hope?

McCluster and Arenas look exactly like backups right now.

McCluster looks like a backup running back who can't hack it as a slot wide receiver, which still wouldn't be a starting position, but would be enough to justify his draft position.

Arenas looks like a backup corner who is a good punt returner.

Lewis, if he starts, will only start because we have shit at safety.

Ole Miss was great without Lewis and Mccluster yesterday.

[keg in kc]

Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?"

Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by billay

Ole Miss was great without Lewis and Mccluster yesterday.

Florida sucks ass without Tebow, that really isn't relevant to the pro game.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Based on what, sheer hope?

McCluster and Arenas look exactly like backups right now.

McCluster looks like a backup running back who can't hack it as a slot wide receiver, which still wouldn't be a starting position, but would be enough to justify his draft position.

Arenas looks like a backup corner who is a good punt returner.

Lewis, if he starts, will only start because we have shit at safety.

I think Lewis should be starting, not because we have shit otherwise at saftey, but because he seems to have good instincts.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's not misleading, kick returning nickelbacks are role players and not starters. If Tony Moeaki goes 5 minutes without getting injured it'll be the first time in his life..

Berry's a starter and the guard "should" start at some point, Lewis probably will we're up to 3 and McCluster is once again a role player.

On top of that who are we counting as starters from that other draft..Magee is never going to start, Tyson Jackson is bad enough that maybe he shouldn't be and counting a kicker as a starter is well a cheap starter.

And starter/contributing role player aren't the same thing. Brandon Flowers was a 2nd round CB, Arenas is a 2nd round CB one of them is great value one of them is not.

It is misleading. When your only criteria for draft success is "are you a starter," that's stupid. A slot receiver can gain about 500-600 yards and be considered effective. A 5-technique can average about 40 tackles and be effective. And on most teams, a good chunk of starters aren't game-changers. They're just guys who are good enough to avoid the big mistake.

I don't give a shit if they start. I care about whether they help this football team and if they make a noticeable impact. Moving from the worst to best return game and if (and a big if) we can finally shut down slot receivers in an NFL that is becoming increasingly spread-oriented and moving to much more 3-WR sets... that's more than just a support role. That's important. Even if McCluster can net between 500-700 yards and comes up with a few big plays, who the **** cares if he's in on 100% of the snaps or 50%. If he makes big plays, contributes, and also gives Weis the opportunity to be a lot more deceptive in his playcalling, those are big contributions. Frankly, I don't get how McCluster is any more a role player than, say, a Terence Cody, who wouldn't be an every-down Tackle. Or Golden Tate, who will likely be a slot receiver.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?"

Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.

Considering the multiple arrests and threats from his "stalker" towards his wife, and his lack of football presence, it's no wonder that San Diego even decided to go into the season with him.

But it's all good now, since he divorced his wife and married his stalker.

I'm sure at age 32 and after signing a nice extension with the Chiefs, he'll be as good as new.

[Mecca]

You shut down receivers with a pass rush not by drafting 50 CB's in a league that has rules that favor the offense in coverage.

Until the Chiefs have a pass rush and a competent front 7 they will continue to get passed and run upon.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You shut down receivers with a pass rush not by drafting 50 CB's in a league that has rules that favor the offense in coverage.

Until the Chiefs have a pass rush and a competent front 7 they will continue to get passed and run upon.

First of all, there are plenty of really good defenses that are a lot more talented in the secondary than they are up front. The Bengals, Packers, and Jets are classic examples. Those teams aren't bad up front, but their greatest strengths by a mile are in their secondaries. And there are plenty of teams that are very good up front, but struggled because they can't stop the pass. Philly was a mess without Lito Sheppard, Brian Dawkins, and Sheldon Brown. Dallas is another example.

Point being, of course we need better play up front and that takes priority. But a Nickel Back is extremely important in our 5-year plan. We're not going to win without one--not in this league. So what does it matter if it was today or tomorrow that we got the guy we want?

[Mecca]

Uh..The Bengals secondary is ok, their safeties are piss poor, I think their front 7 is a little better than their secondary.

Also the Packers are talented in general but if you were listing out needs CB is the first one that comes to mind. I think that's highly arguable where the Packers are better at. Sure Woodson and Collins are top of the line players but Atari Bigby is probably getting replaced by a 2nd rounder and they have issues at the other CB spot.

What I find interesting about that entire post is Dallas has a better front 7 than Cincy does and their secondary is basically the same thing 2 good CB's and blah safeties so what kind of point was this trying to make again?

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't see that happening...I do enjoy how this team put such high value on return man though meanwhile we'll challenge for worst run D in the league.

returns are exciting
a great run D just stops things from happening

it's not fun
it's not shiny

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Remember when the Bengals won the 09 draft

1 Andre Smith
Hurt his first year and an interesting thread about his preseason play this year: http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?p=1719787

2 Rey Maualuga
pretty productive but not overwhelmingly impressive in his rookie season. Got injured late last season, but is a starter nonetheless. DUI in 2010 at over twice the legal limit was his second arrest---first for DUI

3a Michael Johnson
Had 3 sacks last year, but here's a high 3rd rounder who is still on the bench. Should get a lot of playing time though and this shoud be a telling year for him

3b Chase Coffman
don't really have to put anything here...well ok...practice squad

4 Jonathan Luigs C
Cut this year. 1 year with team. I believe he had some injury issues

5 Kevin Huber P
starting, but is a punter. 28th in Net punting, middle of the pack for Inside 20

6a Trent Morgan CB
not a starter, but not a bad role player

6b Bernard Scott RB
good backup by all accounts. Supposed to compete for a starting job one day

7a Fui Vakapuna FB
Has yet to make team, though might luck out with IR this year

7b Freddie Brown WR
Vikings practice squad


recap:
10 players drafted
6 on 53 man roster....1 on IR (gift)...1 on practice squad
2 starters (3 counting the Punter)


Scott may save this class eventually