Chiefs Why are the Chargers that much better? - Page 11

synthesis2 · 09-08-2010, 04:58 PM

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes.

Comparisons:

QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best)
RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo)
WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B-
Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B
TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick)
DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+
LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B
Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+
Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A
coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord)

I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.

Hootie · 09-09-2010, 02:05 PM

Reasons why the Chiefs will pull an upset:

1.) It's a division game.
2.) The Chiefs ground game will control the tempo of the game.
3.) It's Monday Night Football...and it's kickoff weekend. The stands will be full and the crowd will be pumped. If we have home field advantage ONE TIME this season...this will be the week.
4.) We've improved, they've regressed.

I know Rivers can kill us with the pass...I do. If we lose, it will be because Philip Rivers beat us. That's my opinion.

However...I think Charles/McCluster and Thomas Jones will pound the shit out of the ball...I think we will win the T.O.P. and I think our defense will play good enough to get the job done.

I think the Chiefs win 24-20 and I think we'll be on our way to an up and down, 7-9 or 8-8 season.

**Buck** · 09-09-2010, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Reasons why the Chiefs will pull an upset:

1.) It's a division game.
2.) The Chiefs ground game will control the tempo of the game.
3.) It's Monday Night Football...and it's kickoff weekend. The stands will be full and the crowd will be pumped. If we have home field advantage ONE TIME this season...this will be the week.
4.) We've improved, they've regressed.

I know Rivers can kill us with the pass...I do. If we lose, it will be because Philip Rivers beat us. That's my opinion.

However...I think Charles/McCluster and Thomas Jones will pound the shit out of the ball...I think we will win the T.O.P. and I think our defense will play good enough to get the job done.

I think the Chiefs win 24-20 and I think we'll be on our way to an up and down, 7-9 or 8-8 season.

You know its a division game for the Chagers as well right?

Its also week 1 for them too, I'm sure they will be pumped.

Hootie · 09-09-2010, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck

How do you know 90% of the money was put on the Chargers?

Several reasons:

1) I lived with a bookie/professional gambler in Chicago for a year and a half...he taught me how to bet line moves successfully.

2) I have a website that shows me where the $$$ is being bet.

http://www.sports.com/sportsbook/liveodds.php

That's one for example...

91% of the money is still on San Diego (-4.5)...

The public was on them when they were (-5.5)...HEAVILY

and Vegas moved it down.

anyone with a betting background and a bankroll would put HEAVY money on KC to cover...

ThaVirus · 09-09-2010, 02:09 PM

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
4. Rivers
5. Roethlisberger

Anyone who has a different opinion is wrong.

Hootie · 09-09-2010, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck

You know its a division game for the Chagers as well right?

Its also week 1 for them too, I'm sure they will be pumped.

you've never been to Arrowhead when the fan base is pumped up...

This is going to be a heavy home field advantage...

yes they have Rivers...that is their X factor...

but they lack experience at WR and OL...

and their defense simply doesn't scare me...

I think San Diego will win the division, sure...

but this is a great set up for the Chiefs...they get one of their toughest division games at home on MNF to start the season...

this will be like the great Arrowhead of the 90s back when DT and Neil Smith were rocking the joint...

That's huge and Vegas knows it.

Amnorix · 09-09-2010, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Several reasons:

1) I lived with a bookie/professional gambler in Chicago for a year and a half...he taught me how to bet line moves successfully.

2) I have a website that shows me where the $$$ is being bet.

http://www.sports.com/sportsbook/liveodds.php

That's one for example...

91% of the money is still on San Diego (-4.5)...

The public was on them when they were (-5.5)...HEAVILY

and Vegas moved it down.

anyone with a betting background and a bankroll would put HEAVY money on KC to cover...

They were getting 90% action on SD and moved the line DOWN? Why, to get to 95%? That doesn't make any sense.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-09-2010, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix

They were getting 90% action on SD and moved the line DOWN? Why, to get to 95%? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently Vegas knows something we don't.

Maybe Rivers knocked up his mistress.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-09-2010, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

you've never been to Arrowhead when the fan base is pumped up...

This is going to be a heavy home field advantage...

this will be like the great Arrowhead of the 90s back when DT and Neil Smith were rocking the joint...

That's huge and Vegas knows it.

Dude, the Chiefs have won exactly FOUR home games out of the past 48 games, two of those coming in 2007.

The crowd will be completely out of it by the fourth quarter, if not earlier.

Deberg_1990 · 09-09-2010, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
4. Rivers
5. Roethlisberger

Anyone who has a different opinion is wrong.

Well, Roeth should be swapped with Rivers since he has 2 titles and Brady needs to be in there. But other than that, yes..

L.A. Chieffan · 09-09-2010, 02:17 PM

Actually i think Vegas is betting heavily on the Norv element. The guy chokes harder than his kicker in big games.

Amnorix · 09-09-2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
4. Rivers
5. Roethlisberger

Anyone who has a different opinion is wrong.

Pardon me, but Tom Brady and his three shiny rings would like to have a word with you...

**Buck** · 09-09-2010, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

you've never been to Arrowhead when the fan base is pumped up...

This is going to be a heavy home field advantage...

yes they have Rivers...that is their X factor...

but they lack experience at WR and OL...

and their defense simply doesn't scare me...

I think San Diego will win the division, sure...

but this is a great set up for the Chiefs...they get one of their toughest division games at home on MNF to start the season...

this will be like the great Arrowhead of the 90s back when DT and Neil Smith were rocking the joint...

That's huge and Vegas knows it.

I've been to Invesco field when the Crowd was louder than anything I've ever heard, during a week 11 game where 1st place was up for grabs, and the Chargers beat a team that is better than the Chiefs by 29 points.

Hootie · 09-09-2010, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix

They were getting 90% action on SD and moved the line DOWN? Why, to get to 95%? That doesn't make any sense.

No, no, no, no!

Come on dude...

They lowered it to further entice action...

As in...90% of the money was on San Diego at -5.5...

But that doesn't mean a lot of money was being bet...

Vegas lowered it to make it an even more attractive game to put money on...

5.5 to 4.5 isn't a SIGNIFCANT point in the NFL...

The wouldn't have moved it from 6.5 to 5.5...or 3.5 to 2.5...

I'm betting they think it will be a 3 or 4 point game...either way...so lowering it a point from 5.5 to 4.5 in a sport where 3, 6, 7, and 10 points are common finals (like 20-17)...just entices more action on something they consider a lock.

It catches the eyes of the public...

they see San Diego (-4.5) against those shitty Chiefs and are like "hell yeah, that's a lock!" and they bet it...

and Vegas wants that because they are sold on the Chiefs and the cover...

it's why the public LOSES a shit ton of money every year...

Vegas doesn't lose.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-09-2010, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck

I've been to Invesco field when the Crowd was louder than anything I've ever heard, during a week 11 game where 1st place was up for grabs, and the Chargers beat a team that is better than the Chiefs by 29 points.

Where's that Kaeding gif?

suds79 · 09-09-2010, 02:23 PM

Why are the Chargers that much better?

Easy. There's a huge difference between QBs.

Ours is sorry. Theirs is one of the best in the game.

If they were even close I could see giving the advantage to the Chiefs.

QB and the fact that our run D is pretty bad.

Doesn't mean we can't win Monday night though. The better team doesn't always win in a single game.

09-08-2010, 04:58 PM
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9255401	Why are the Chargers that much better? I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes. Comparisons: QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best) RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo) WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B- Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick) DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+ LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+ Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord) I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.
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09-09-2010, 02:05 PM	#151
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Reasons why the Chiefs will pull an upset: 1.) It's a division game. 2.) The Chiefs ground game will control the tempo of the game. 3.) It's Monday Night Football...and it's kickoff weekend. The stands will be full and the crowd will be pumped. If we have home field advantage ONE TIME this season...this will be the week. 4.) We've improved, they've regressed. I know Rivers can kill us with the pass...I do. If we lose, it will be because Philip Rivers beat us. That's my opinion. However...I think Charles/McCluster and Thomas Jones will pound the shit out of the ball...I think we will win the T.O.P. and I think our defense will play good enough to get the job done. I think the Chiefs win 24-20 and I think we'll be on our way to an up and down, 7-9 or 8-8 season.
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ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1787631	1. Manning 2. Brees 3. Rodgers 4. Rivers 5. Roethlisberger Anyone who has a different opinion is wrong.
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09-09-2010, 02:23 PM	#165
suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	Why are the Chargers that much better? Easy. There's a huge difference between QBs. Ours is sorry. Theirs is one of the best in the game. If they were even close I could see giving the advantage to the Chiefs. QB and the fact that our run D is pretty bad. Doesn't mean we can't win Monday night though. The better team doesn't always win in a single game.
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