KU Turner Gill has lost his fkng mind - Page 11

**ChiTown** · 09-29-2010, 03:02 PM

Who gives a shit about cell phones, but a man needs pussy. Just sayin....

In Kansas, Turner Gill Becomes the Wizard of Odd

9/29/2010 12:39 PM ET By Clay Travis

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Want to be out after 10 at night in the presence of a woman? Good luck, if you're a football player in Lawrence, Kan. Correction, make that a college football player in Lawrence; high school gridders have greater freedoms these days than anyone on the Jayhawks.

The "no women after 10 p.m." rule is one of first-year head coach Turner Gill's rules for the Kansas football team. The rule isn't just for public interaction, you also violate it if you're in the presence of a woman at her place or yours. While Gill has acknowledged that proving a violation is difficult, according to KUSports.com, "he (Gill) explained the penalty would be more severe if a KU player was involved with an incident and it was discovered that the player had broken the policy."

More severe?

What if the player isn't doing anything at all but hanging out with a member of the opposite sex? And 10 at night? Ten? Coaches are fond of saying nothing good happens after midnight -- which is completely wrong, by the way. Expanding that cliche to encompass nothing good happening before the nightly news is over? Most nursing home residents are living scandalous lifestyles compared to the antediluvian restrictions that Gill is foisting upon his players.

Is Gill aware coed dorms exist? What happens then? Do players have to show up every morning at five to run wind sprints as penance for having the temerity to live in the same building with unmarried women? Already, despite the opposite-sex prohibitions, Kansas has lost to North Dakota State in its home opener. Can you imagine how badly the Jayhawks might have lost to North Dakota State if players had been allowed to speak with women after 10?

I can, it might have been 9-3 instead of 6-3.

In order to pull off this road win and counteract the female prohibition at Kansas, North Dakota State's entire team must have pledged to be celibate for the rest of their lives. A small price to pay for a Saturday win.

How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child?
Turner Gill's expansive directives aimed at controlling his players every waking moment are the latest examples of football coaches becoming more and more like totalitarian dictators each year. Freedom of communication grows for college students? Football coaches push back in the opposite direction, limiting those freedoms in a misguided attempt to tighten the reins of program discipline. Facebook? Some coaches are banning it. Twitter? Boise State's Chris Petersen began the banning rush in the offseason. Now, Kansas doesn't want its football players around women at night. What's next, players not allowed to have cell phones?

Too late.

Kansas players can't do that either, not in the 24 hours leading up to a game, anyway. That's because the Kansas coaching staff confiscates the players' cell phones and won't return them until after the game. I'm not making this up. They actually take the phones. A parent or family member needing to reach your child in the event of emergency? You call the director of football operations.

Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men. Not seventh graders. Not adolescents. Grown men who could serve their country overseas, grown men who may be parents themselves, grown men who are being treated like infants unable to make their own decisions and handle their own priorities. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? As countless parents have already learned, stifling personal freedom doesn't lead to growth, it leads to greater dependence.

Football coaches want their players to be gridiron monks, the Dalia Lama with a 425-pound bench press. They want automatons walled off from the rest of the world who believe that the full import of their lives begins and ends in the 60 minutes they spend each week on the football field. But in today's era doesn't that control defeat the entire purpose of attending college? If, as the NCAA constantly argues -- most of our athletes are going pro in something other than sports -- then how does it help athletes to wall them off from the surrounding community of students?

Nor does this even consider the legalities at play here. Can a coach even have a written rule that would limit contact with women after 10 at night? Can a coach demand that a player relinquish his physical property for a period of time if that player doesn't want to? As a lawyer, I don't think so. If a player challenged these rules, I think he'd be able to prove that they were beyond the scope of his scholarship acceptance.

Indeed, it's a true shame that Kansas' faculty has allowed restrictions like these to take root for any students, regardless of who they are or what group they're associated with. Imagine if, for instance, a student association on campus had a written policy that all members, under threat of penalty, could not speak to members of the opposite sex on campus after 10 at night. Would that pass without faculty comment? I doubt it.

Restrictions like these represent the antithesis of what collegiate life is supposed to entail. Most students learn more from each other than they ever do from their books. Most men learn more about women in college than they've ever learned before. Indeed, by restricting student interaction with the opposite sex to limited hours, Gill is sending the message to his team that women are the enemy, modern day Bathshebas, existing only to tempt and lead them astray from their true purpose on the campus.

Which is to play football games.

And that's ultimately the real issue here, all of these restrictions strip away the fig leaf of academia, that these players are regular students who just happen to play sports. The reality is something much different of course, these are football players who just happen to be students. By placing these restrictions on his players Gill proves that even as a 48-year-old coach he still hasn't learned the most important lesson a football player can learn.

There is life outside of football.

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**ChiTown** · 09-30-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Kansas Football - Venom and Hate...

is much better than the current

Kansas Football - Puppydogs, Jesus, Unicorns and Rainbows.

**Saulbadguy** · 09-30-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Kansas loses out on Austin Rivers who has committed to Duke.

How's that for objectivity?

Can't blame him, he wants to go somewhere that competes for championships, has an excellent tradition, and produces NBA players.

Reerun_KC · 09-30-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Can't blame him, he wants to go somewhere that competes for championships, has an excellent tradition, and produces NBA players.

Pants · 09-30-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Can't blame him, he wants to go somewhere that competes for championships, has an excellent tradition, and produces NBA players.

Yes, there are a few schools like that. Unfortunately, he can only chose one. Fortunately, there are more good players.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-30-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

BWillie · 09-30-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Plus, add that there are NO NAMES on the back of the jerseys... a little jayhawk. I don't know hardly any of the players names. That is how you learn what the players names are... by watching the games, and reading the name on the jerseys after plays.

All-in-all, Turner Gill is HUGE FAIL.... and I'm not pleased with the hire at all.

So, excuse me for the KU football apathy over the next 2.5 years until he is fired.

I don't agree with you just yet. I'm leary on his practices off the field...like the curfew and all of that. Especially how it might turn off recruits but I'm actually happy with what I've seen off the field. However, I remember reading a ton of literature about how his players at Buffalo absolutely adored him even AFTER he left for Kansas.

I didn't expect this team to win more than 1 Big 12 game, and I think they will win at least 2. Crossing my fingers...

thebrad84 · 10-04-2010, 11:14 AM

Gill says team policy on women not causing a negative reaction from players

J-W Staff Reports

October 4, 2010

Kansas coach Turner Gill talked publicly about his team’s curfew policy Monday morning, saying he didn’t believe it was an issue on his team.

As the Journal-World reported on Sept. 24, a rule in the KU football players’ manual states that KU’s players cannot be with women past 10 p.m. on any night.

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“We’re just teaching them discipline,” Gill said Monday during the Big 12 coaches’ teleconference. “I’m not going to go into all the details of what we have on our team policies and all those things, but everything that we do is all about disciplining our guys and preparing them for life with football and preparing for them for life without football. It’s just part of our makeup.”

Gill was then asked if he believed the policy could affect recruiting.

“I guess it could, but we can explain (what it is),” Gill said. “It’s not that big of a deal. It’s really just a situation of trying to teach guys how to do things in the proper way and be respectful to women and be respectful to everything that we do in our society. It’s teaching people all about things about life.”

Gill said that he didn’t believe the policy had affected his players.

“There hasn’t been any negative reaction to anything,” Gill said. “We’ve just been inconsistent in playing the game of football, just like any other teams.”

Gill also was asked how he would feel if his college coach at Nebraska, Tom Osborne, had implemented a similar curfew policy when Gill was a college football player.

“How would I respond to it? Oh, it’s a policy that I understand what the purpose is,” Gill said. “I explained to (the players) what the situation was all about. That’s what it has been all about, and I explained to our players, and we’ve done things in the right way.

“I understand the situation, what you’re talking about, but again, we’ve explained everything to our players, and we’re teaching them about discipline and about life and discipline also with football.”

Teaching them discipline? Discipline from not being able to enjoy a date with a female after 10pm? Is this dude stuck in the 50's or is he just that deep in to his christian beliefs?

chiefsnorth · 10-04-2010, 11:30 AM

Maybe I missed something, but where does it say this is a religious policy?

Lex Luthor · 10-04-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Ok, I read further. It's for the 24 hrs leading up to the game.
Really, It's not that unreasonable. And it's only 1 night a week.

Wrong. It's every night. The 1 night a week was in reference to the confiscation of cell phones.

Add me to the group that was against the hiring of Gill from the very beginning. It's like hiring Trey Hillman. Hiring nice guys to read bible verses to the players doesn't result in a winning program.

Lex Luthor · 10-04-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thebrad84

Teaching them discipline? Discipline from not being able to enjoy a date with a female after 10pm? Is this dude stuck in the 50's or is he just that deep in to his christian beliefs?

He's just a fcking idiot who can't beat North Dakota State and gets blown out by Baylor.

Hopefully when KU hires a new AD the first thing he'll do is hire a new coach. Mike Leach's offense would look pretty good in Lawrence.

ArrowheadHawk · 10-04-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

He's just a fcking idiot who can't beat North Dakota State and gets blown out by Baylor.

Hopefully when KU hires a new AD the first thing he'll do is hire a new coach. Mike Leach's offense would look pretty good in Lawrence.

Turner has a 5 year contract. We just paid Mangino to leave. No way can the school afford to payoff another coach.

Lex Luthor · 10-04-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Turner has a 5 year contract. We just paid Mangino to leave. No way can the school afford to payoff another coach.

Well that was a nice parting shot from Lew Perkins.

**Dave Lane** · 10-04-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

He's just a fcking idiot who can't beat North Dakota State and gets blown out by Baylor.

Hopefully when KU hires a new AD the first thing he'll do is hire a new coach. Mike Leach's offense would look pretty good in Lawrence.

I agree. When I saw his MAC record I knew this wasn't going to end well. Track record = everything to me. I'd rather hire someone with zero experience as a head coach than a known loser.

Reerun_KC · 10-04-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Turner has a 5 year contract. We just paid Mangino to leave. No way can the school afford to payoff another coach.

So were stuck with major fail for 5 more years....

Lex Luthor · 10-04-2010, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Turner has a 5 year contract. We just paid Mangino to leave. No way can the school afford to payoff another coach.

So you're saying there's a chance?

09-29-2010, 03:02 PM
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $-511038	Turner Gill has lost his fkng mind Who gives a shit about cell phones, but a man needs pussy. Just sayin.... In Kansas, Turner Gill Becomes the Wizard of Odd 9/29/2010 12:39 PM ET By Clay Travis AText Size Print this page\|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on Lifestream Clay Travis Senior NCAA Writer Want to be out after 10 at night in the presence of a woman? Good luck, if you're a football player in Lawrence, Kan. Correction, make that a college football player in Lawrence; high school gridders have greater freedoms these days than anyone on the Jayhawks. The "no women after 10 p.m." rule is one of first-year head coach Turner Gill's rules for the Kansas football team. The rule isn't just for public interaction, you also violate it if you're in the presence of a woman at her place or yours. While Gill has acknowledged that proving a violation is difficult, according to KUSports.com, "he (Gill) explained the penalty would be more severe if a KU player was involved with an incident and it was discovered that the player had broken the policy." More severe? What if the player isn't doing anything at all but hanging out with a member of the opposite sex? And 10 at night? Ten? Coaches are fond of saying nothing good happens after midnight -- which is completely wrong, by the way. Expanding that cliche to encompass nothing good happening before the nightly news is over? Most nursing home residents are living scandalous lifestyles compared to the antediluvian restrictions that Gill is foisting upon his players. Is Gill aware coed dorms exist? What happens then? Do players have to show up every morning at five to run wind sprints as penance for having the temerity to live in the same building with unmarried women? Already, despite the opposite-sex prohibitions, Kansas has lost to North Dakota State in its home opener. Can you imagine how badly the Jayhawks might have lost to North Dakota State if players had been allowed to speak with women after 10? I can, it might have been 9-3 instead of 6-3. In order to pull off this road win and counteract the female prohibition at Kansas, North Dakota State's entire team must have pledged to be celibate for the rest of their lives. A small price to pay for a Saturday win. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? Turner Gill's expansive directives aimed at controlling his players every waking moment are the latest examples of football coaches becoming more and more like totalitarian dictators each year. Freedom of communication grows for college students? Football coaches push back in the opposite direction, limiting those freedoms in a misguided attempt to tighten the reins of program discipline. Facebook? Some coaches are banning it. Twitter? Boise State's Chris Petersen began the banning rush in the offseason. Now, Kansas doesn't want its football players around women at night. What's next, players not allowed to have cell phones? Too late. Kansas players can't do that either, not in the 24 hours leading up to a game, anyway. That's because the Kansas coaching staff confiscates the players' cell phones and won't return them until after the game. I'm not making this up. They actually take the phones. A parent or family member needing to reach your child in the event of emergency? You call the director of football operations. Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men. Not seventh graders. Not adolescents. Grown men who could serve their country overseas, grown men who may be parents themselves, grown men who are being treated like infants unable to make their own decisions and handle their own priorities. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? As countless parents have already learned, stifling personal freedom doesn't lead to growth, it leads to greater dependence. Football coaches want their players to be gridiron monks, the Dalia Lama with a 425-pound bench press. They want automatons walled off from the rest of the world who believe that the full import of their lives begins and ends in the 60 minutes they spend each week on the football field. But in today's era doesn't that control defeat the entire purpose of attending college? If, as the NCAA constantly argues -- most of our athletes are going pro in something other than sports -- then how does it help athletes to wall them off from the surrounding community of students? Nor does this even consider the legalities at play here. Can a coach even have a written rule that would limit contact with women after 10 at night? Can a coach demand that a player relinquish his physical property for a period of time if that player doesn't want to? As a lawyer, I don't think so. If a player challenged these rules, I think he'd be able to prove that they were beyond the scope of his scholarship acceptance. Indeed, it's a true shame that Kansas' faculty has allowed restrictions like these to take root for any students, regardless of who they are or what group they're associated with. Imagine if, for instance, a student association on campus had a written policy that all members, under threat of penalty, could not speak to members of the opposite sex on campus after 10 at night. Would that pass without faculty comment? I doubt it. Restrictions like these represent the antithesis of what collegiate life is supposed to entail. Most students learn more from each other than they ever do from their books. Most men learn more about women in college than they've ever learned before. Indeed, by restricting student interaction with the opposite sex to limited hours, Gill is sending the message to his team that women are the enemy, modern day Bathshebas, existing only to tempt and lead them astray from their true purpose on the campus. Which is to play football games. And that's ultimately the real issue here, all of these restrictions strip away the fig leaf of academia, that these players are regular students who just happen to play sports. The reality is something much different of course, these are football players who just happen to be students. By placing these restrictions on his players Gill proves that even as a 48-year-old coach he still hasn't learned the most important lesson a football player can learn. There is life outside of football. http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...wizard-of-odd/
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thebrad84 My name...is Horace! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Olathe, KS Casino cash: $5864069	Gill says team policy on women not causing a negative reaction from players J-W Staff Reports October 4, 2010 Kansas coach Turner Gill talked publicly about his team’s curfew policy Monday morning, saying he didn’t believe it was an issue on his team. As the Journal-World reported on Sept. 24, a rule in the KU football players’ manual states that KU’s players cannot be with women past 10 p.m. on any night. Advertisement “We’re just teaching them discipline,” Gill said Monday during the Big 12 coaches’ teleconference. “I’m not going to go into all the details of what we have on our team policies and all those things, but everything that we do is all about disciplining our guys and preparing them for life with football and preparing for them for life without football. It’s just part of our makeup.” Gill was then asked if he believed the policy could affect recruiting. “I guess it could, but we can explain (what it is),” Gill said. “It’s not that big of a deal. It’s really just a situation of trying to teach guys how to do things in the proper way and be respectful to women and be respectful to everything that we do in our society. It’s teaching people all about things about life.” Gill said that he didn’t believe the policy had affected his players. “There hasn’t been any negative reaction to anything,” Gill said. “We’ve just been inconsistent in playing the game of football, just like any other teams.” Gill also was asked how he would feel if his college coach at Nebraska, Tom Osborne, had implemented a similar curfew policy when Gill was a college football player. “How would I respond to it? Oh, it’s a policy that I understand what the purpose is,” Gill said. “I explained to (the players) what the situation was all about. That’s what it has been all about, and I explained to our players, and we’ve done things in the right way. “I understand the situation, what you’re talking about, but again, we’ve explained everything to our players, and we’re teaching them about discipline and about life and discipline also with football.” Teaching them discipline? Discipline from not being able to enjoy a date with a female after 10pm? Is this dude stuck in the 50's or is he just that deep in to his christian beliefs?
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chiefsnorth Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	Maybe I missed something, but where does it say this is a religious policy?
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