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Old 10-04-2010, 08:48 AM  
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Wondering the Playoff inclusion rate of the NFL's final unbeaten team
I realize generally it takes more than week 4 to determine the final unbeaten in the NFL. But sitting at work and wondering who the last NFL team that was the final unbeaten failed to make the playoffs was and when. Can't look it up myself as the IS department here are supreme bandwidth Nazi's. But if anyone has time, and wouldn't mind checking, rep to you when I get home.
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Old 10-04-2010, 12:40 PM   #16
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I more interesting question, for me, is; does anyone see anything in the defense that is ripe for gameplanning? ie, we know there's a bit of a tightrope going on with masking Cassel's drawbacks, and we can be fairly sure that Jamaal and Tommy aren't going to fall off a cliff [though 8itB is a worry, what with the first point], but has anyone seen something from a technical standpoint that worries them that people are going to figure out the D? Sure the young 2ndary are going to take their share of licks, sure DJ is playing with his hair on fire, but I haven't seen anything that screams 'if a OC sees what I'm seeing, game over man.'
Intermediate passing routes in the middle of the field. Rivers carved us up in that area. Manning is gonna have a field day 10 yards deep in the middle of the field.
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Old 10-04-2010, 12:50 PM   #17
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Intermediate passing routes in the middle of the field. Rivers carved us up in that area. Manning is gonna have a field day 10 yards deep in the middle of the field.
And Eric Berry is going to decapitate Dallas Clark.

'Goin' through the "Big D" and do mean Dallas' /berry
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:05 PM   #18
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If I were planning against the Chiefs D, I'd run lots of heavy sets and stretch the offensive line out a little. The Chiefs don't push up the middle nearly as well as they come from on the outsides. Use a slightly wider offensive line, and make the ends travel farther and force them to bring pressure up the middle. Especially considering Manning's pocket abilities. I'd try and create favorable matchups with Carr on the outside away from safety help. And I'd run a few times right at Berry, and then try and hit some shallow crossing patterns after a good run fake. The Chiefs crash the line pretty hard on runs, and have been beaten for TDs when teams have faked well and taken advantage of that.
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:10 PM   #19
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:15 PM   #20
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IMO they shouldn't speak of the playoffs till....Well the playoffs.
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:16 PM   #21
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5 and 0 is going to be really amazing. That's when we can start talking playoffs.

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If they turned out 5-0, people would start going bat shit, bananas, crazy. What I really want to see though, is how they respond to a loss. Or, maybe 2 with these next two games on the road.

If they can battle that adversity, and not stick their heads up their asses, the sky is the limit. We have SUCH a favorable schedule this year.
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:27 PM   #22
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going back further, it looks like the answer is 17 years ago:

1999 - Rams 6-0 - NFC West Champ and #1 seed, won Super Bowl XXXIV
1998 - Vikings 8-0 - NFC Central Champ and #1 seed, lost NFC championship
1997 - Broncos 6-0 - AFC Wild Card and #4 seed, won Super Bowl XXXII
1996 - Colts 4-0 - AFC Wild Card and #6 seed, lost in Wild Card round *
1995 - Dolphins 4-0 - AFC Wild Card and #6 seed, lost in Wild Card round
1994 - Chargers 6-0 - AFC West Champ and #2 seed, lost Super Bowl XXIX
1993 - Saints 5-0 - Missed Playoffs

The 1993 New Orleans Saints began the year 5-0 and probably entered their week 6 bye feeling good about themselves. They fell apart beginning week 7, going 3-8 to end the season with an 8-8 record.

* The 1996 Colts and Chiefs lost the tiebreaker for the #5 seed to the Jaguars (conference record), but the Colts won the tiebreaker over the Chiefs (head to head) to barely make the playoffs as the #6 seed.
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:57 PM   #23
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Im tired of all the brainwashed judusses of the Chiefs camp.Stop living in the past!
You are just like the naysayers of the status quo that think things will always be as they were. WRONG! Don't give any team a free pass or discount them so hastily.
There are a number of talented new faces on the Chiefs that have yet to play against
Payton Manning ever. Somebody may have his number.He is not invincible and someone
could take him out of his passing game.Even if they didn't they would have to score a ton to offset the Chiefs running , receiving and special teams etc.. It will be difficult for
the 1 hit wonder Peyton Manning to contend with.
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Old 10-04-2010, 02:12 PM   #24
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Im tired of all the brainwashed judusses of the Chiefs camp.Stop living in the past!
You are just like the naysayers of the status quo that think things will always be as they were. WRONG! Don't give any team a free pass or discount them so hastily.
There are a number of talented new faces on the Chiefs that have yet to play against
Payton Manning ever. Somebody may have his number.He is not invincible and someone
could take him out of his passing game.Even if they didn't they would have to score a ton to offset the Chiefs running , receiving and special teams etc.. It will be difficult for
the 1 hit wonder Peyton Manning to contend with.
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5 and 0 is going to be really amazing. That's when we can start talking playoffs.

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going back further, it looks like the answer is 17 years ago:

1999 - Rams 6-0 - NFC West Champ and #1 seed, won Super Bowl XXXIV
1998 - Vikings 8-0 - NFC Central Champ and #1 seed, lost NFC championship
1997 - Broncos 6-0 - AFC Wild Card and #4 seed, won Super Bowl XXXII
1996 - Colts 4-0 - AFC Wild Card and #6 seed, lost in Wild Card round *
1995 - Dolphins 4-0 - AFC Wild Card and #6 seed, lost in Wild Card round
1994 - Chargers 6-0 - AFC West Champ and #2 seed, lost Super Bowl XXIX
1993 - Saints 5-0 - Missed Playoffs

The 1993 New Orleans Saints began the year 5-0 and probably entered their week 6 bye feeling good about themselves. They fell apart beginning week 7, going 3-8 to end the season with an 8-8 record.

* The 1996 Colts and Chiefs lost the tiebreaker for the #5 seed to the Jaguars (conference record), but the Colts won the tiebreaker over the Chiefs (head to head) to barely make the playoffs as the #6 seed.
This was what I was looking for. Not a premature playoffjaculation... Thanks alnorth!
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Im tired of all the brainwashed judusses of the Chiefs camp.Stop living in the past!
You are just like the naysayers of the status quo that think things will always be as they were. WRONG! Don't give any team a free pass or discount them so hastily.
There are a number of talented new faces on the Chiefs that have yet to play against
Payton Manning ever. Somebody may have his number.He is not invincible and someone
could take him out of his passing game.Even if they didn't they would have to score a ton to offset the Chiefs running , receiving and special teams etc.. It will be difficult for
the 1 hit wonder Peyton Manning to contend with.
Yer the reason I get n00b punished by Mr. Bosschief... Thanks...
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Did everyone forget last years Broncos or something?
That was actually what originally put my brain on this topic... Listening to co-workers talking as if they already put their deposits down on the home playoff game... Then was wondering the last lone unbeaten to miss the playoffs... Didn't really come across that way in the OP...
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I was curious whether this happened more than once, so I went back all the way to the NFL-AFL merger in 1970.

1992 - Dolphins 6-0 - AFC East Champs and #2 seed, lost AFC championship
1991 - Redskins 11-0 - NFC East Champs and #1 seed, won Super Bowl XXVI
(tie in 1990, two teams made it to week 12 and lost the early sunday game, I didn't bother to try to figure out how long each game lasted to break the tie)
1990 #1 - 49'ers 10-0 - NFC West Champs and #1 seed, lost NFC championship
1990 #2 - Giants 10-0 - NFC East Champs and #2 seed, won Super Bowl XXV
1989 - Rams 5-0 - NFC Wild Card and #5 seed, lost NFC championship
1988 - Bengals 6-0 - AFC Central Champs and #1 seed, lost Super Bowl XXIII
1987 - Bears 4-0 - NFC Central Champs and #2 seed, lost in Divisional round
1986 - Broncos 6-0 - AFC West Champs and #2 seed, lost Super Bowl XXI
1985 - Bears 12-0 - NFC Central Champs and #1 seed, won Super Bowl XX
1984 - Dolphins 11-0 - AFC East Champs and #1 seed, lost Super Bowl XIX
1983 - Cowboys 7-0 - NFC Wild Card and #4 seed, lost in Wild Card round
1982 throwing this year out because of the craziness of no divisions and 8 seed format. Redskins were last undefeated at 4-0
1981 - Eagles 6-0 - NFC Wild Card and #4 seed, lost in Wild Card round
1980 - Bills 5-0 - AFC East Champs and #3 seed, lost in Divisional round
1979 - Buccaneers 5-0 - NFC Central Champs and #2 seed, lost NFC championship
1978 - Steelers 7-0 - AFC Central Champs and #1 seed, won Super Bowl XIII
1977 - Cowboys 9-0 - NFC East Champs and #1 seed, won Super Bowl XII
1976 - Cowboys 5-0 - NFC East Champs and #2 seed, lost Divisional round
1975 - Vikings 10-0 - NFC Central Champs and #2 seed, lost Divisional round
1974 - Cardinals 7-0 - NFC East Champs and #3 seed, lost Divisional round
1973 - Vikings 9-0 - NFC Central Champs and #1 seed, lost Super Bowl VIII
1972 - Dolphins 14-0 - AFC East Champs and #1 seed, won Super Bowl VII
1971 - Redskins 5-0 - NFC Wild Card and #4 seed, lost Divisional round
(3-way tie in 1970, three teams made it to week 4 and lost the early sunday game, I didn't bother to try to figure out how long each game lasted to break the tie)
1970 #1 - Lions 3-0 - NFC Wild Card and #4 seed, lost Divisional round
1970 #2 - Rams 3-0 - Missed Playoffs, but would have been the #5 seed in today's format (finished 9-4-1)
1970 #3 - Broncos 3-0 - Missed playoffs (finished 5-8-1)

So, there you go. 42 data points, and 2 missed the playoffs (under today's format), once in 1993, and perhaps once in 1970 if you consider Denver to be one of the last undefeated teams. That is roughly 1 in 20 teams. Will the Chiefs be the 3rd last undefeated team to miss the playoffs in 2010?
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