Chiefs So... what are the Chiefs' QB options in 2011? - Page 9

chiefzilla1501 · 10-10-2010, 04:38 PM

I think it's safe to say that the Chiefs are good enough that they will probably not have a top 15 pick. I think with their easy schedule and a pretty decent squad, 8-8 is more than reasonable. That being said, Luck and Mallett are likely not in the cards.

So now what?

Would you trade the moon to get one of those two guys?

Who are some free agents worth looking at? The only one that comes to mind that might be interesting to look at is Shaun Hill--not a guy I'd revolve my franchise around, but a solid veteran that I'd be comfortable starting until we feel comfortable going with a rookie.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-10-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Vick you can pick up for a hope and a prayer. What was the contract Kolb just signed?

If you want a QB of the Future, it doesn't matter what price you pay in terms of money. As long as the Chiefs get him for a reasonable pick, that's the move I'd much rather make.

**BossChief** · 10-11-2010, 12:01 AM

I would rather have Ricki Stanzi over Cassel, but that sure doesnt mean I want us to draft him as our QBOTF.

If the guy fell to the fourth or fifth round, Id be ok with him as a developmental backup guy, but thats it.

He stares down his target
He makes poor decisions
He just throws it up too often

But, yeah...Id rather have him on the field over Cassel because at least he tries to push the ball up the field.

He has the size, arm strength and experience in the pro set that we might be looking for. He also has lead his team to a few bowl wins and has a damn good win loss record and is a senior....all things on the Parcells list for what "the Tree" looks for in quarterbacks drafted high...so uh oh.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-11-2010, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think it's safe to say that the Chiefs are good enough that they will probably not have a top 15 pick.

It absolutely is not safe to say this IMO.

They could easily have a top 15 pick still...

Nightfyre · 10-11-2010, 01:18 AM

You can always move up to select the guy you want.

Frankie · 10-11-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I would rather Kevin Kolb than Vick. I don't think he's nearly as bad as he's criticized for being. If you give him protection, he can be dangerous. He doesn't get that consistently in Philly. Their o-line is complete garbage.

Behind both of them, there's a QB, Kafka, who I think has a lot of upside. I had him on my draft wish list for a later round pick up.

Frankie · 10-11-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I would rather have Ricki Stanzi over Cassel, but that sure doesnt mean I want us to draft him as our QBOTF.

If the guy fell to the fourth or fifth round, Id be ok with him as a developmental backup guy, but thats it.

As I predicted earlier in this thread, he'll be ours in the 3rd, if we don't use a 1 on a QB.

Saccopoo · 10-11-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I would rather have Ricki Stanzi over Cassel, but that sure doesnt mean I want us to draft him as our QBOTF.

If the guy fell to the fourth or fifth round, Id be ok with him as a developmental backup guy, but thats it.

He stares down his target
He makes poor decisions
He just throws it up too often

But, yeah...Id rather have him on the field over Cassel because at least he tries to push the ball up the field.

He has the size, arm strength and experience in the pro set that we might be looking for. He also has lead his team to a few bowl wins and has a damn good win loss record and is a senior....all things on the Parcells list for what "the Tree" looks for in quarterbacks drafted high...so uh oh.

Ricky Stanzi's completion percentage in college is atrocious. The guy has prototype size, but he's not, at this time, a viable NFL prospect as he just has no field awareness or pocket presence. That's not an upgrade to Cassel.

Barret · 10-11-2010, 02:00 PM

I have seen some people say that we would go out and get a free agent next year to replace Cassel and then draft a QB in the first round. Or something like that, so who would be available as free agents??

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Peyton Manning Indy
Tom Brady New England
Brett Favre Minn
Donovan McNabb Wash
Matt Moore Carolina
Kyle Orton Denver
Matt Hasselback Sea
Alex Smith SF
Troy Smith, BAL
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O'Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Michael Vick, PHI
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS

A couple of notes from above. Obviously Manning and Brady arent going anywhere. I didnt know that Croyle was in the last year of his Contract. THIGPEN IS AVAILABLE!!!!

But on that list of free agents who is really going to be the stop gap for 1 or 2 years to get a rookie into shape? An Aging veteran that might help groom a new QB, well Collins, Mcabb or Hasselback would fit in that scenario. All 3 are older but would be a dramatic upgrade over Cassel. You certainly dont want a New QB fresh out of college learning the "stare the receiver down / chuck it into triple coverage" that Cassel is teaching.

aturnis · 10-11-2010, 02:29 PM

I am VERY surprised by all of the Vick hate. Have any of you even watched him play this year? He looks like a GREAT QB. He has done EVERYTHING right, including the way he is playing the QB position. Pass first, run second.

On top of his fantastic stats of 61.5% completion percentage, 6TD's to 0INT's, and a 108 QB rating, he has run for 187yds. and a TD.At 7ypc, that's as good as Charles. Mind you, a lot of these were from the Wildcat and designed plays and not a result of him being run first. All of this if from behind the same TERRIBLE oline Kolb gets an excuse for sucking behind.

I can understand you saying you don't want him personally b/c you are a weird dog over-lover. I loves dogs and MY dog especially, but I'm don't cry about it, b/c there are worse things and that's the way the world works. Calling him a PR nightmare is reeruned though. Nobody in the media world even seems to remember what happened, and all have been giving him praise. Plus, he really seems to have learned something.

His sit down with Jim Mora was blatently honest and I walked away happy for Michael Vick. Good for him, how many people get the chance to turn their life around? How many people actually do it?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...nging-his-life

There's another part of it, but it seems to be unavailable...

Everyone deserves a second chance. Michael Vick is no different, and he's done it all the right way. Kept his head down, his mouth shut and sat behind Kolb. All the while preparing to be the starter like he never did in Atl and he chance came along, and he's run away with it. He is FAR from the player he was in Atl, he's a MUCH better QB.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-11-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I am VERY surprised by all of the Vick hate. Have any of you even watched him play this year? He looks like a GREAT QB. He has done EVERYTHING right, including the way he is playing the QB position. Pass first, run second.

On top of his fantastic stats of 61.5% completion percentage, 6TD's to 0INT's, and a 108 QB rating, he has run for 187yds. and a TD.At 7ypc, that's as good as Charles. Mind you, a lot of these were from the Wildcat and designed plays and not a result of him being run first. All of this if from behind the same TERRIBLE oline Kolb gets an excuse for sucking behind.

I can understand you saying you don't want him personally b/c you are a weird dog over-lover. I loves dogs and MY dog especially, but I'm don't cry about it, b/c there are worse things and that's the way the world works. Calling him a PR nightmare is reeruned though. Nobody in the media world even seems to remember what happened, and all have been giving him praise. Plus, he really seems to have learned something.

His sit down with Jim Mora was blatently honest and I walked away happy for Michael Vick. Good for him, how many people get the chance to turn their life around? How many people actually do it?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...nging-his-life

There's another part of it, but it seems to be unavailable...

Everyone deserves a second chance. Michael Vick is no different, and he's done it all the right way. Kept his head down, his mouth shut and sat behind Kolb. All the while preparing to be the starter like he never did in Atl and he chance came along, and he's run away with it. He is FAR from the player he was in Atl, he's a MUCH better QB.

Against what competition? The Lions and the Jaguars? Those teams can't stop anybody.

I like the new attitude, but at the end of the day, I don't trust him to consistently beat playoff defenses. You get a good defense that can blitz him and force him to stay in the pocket, and he becomes a very average QB--big arm, no accuracy.

BIG_DADDY · 10-11-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I am VERY surprised by all of the Vick hate. Have any of you even watched him play this year? He looks like a GREAT QB. He has done EVERYTHING right, including the way he is playing the QB position. Pass first, run second.

On top of his fantastic stats of 61.5% completion percentage, 6TD's to 0INT's, and a 108 QB rating, he has run for 187yds. and a TD.At 7ypc, that's as good as Charles. Mind you, a lot of these were from the Wildcat and designed plays and not a result of him being run first. All of this if from behind the same TERRIBLE oline Kolb gets an excuse for sucking behind.

I can understand you saying you don't want him personally b/c you are a weird dog over-lover. I loves dogs and MY dog especially, but I'm don't cry about it, b/c there are worse things and that's the way the world works. Calling him a PR nightmare is reeruned though. Nobody in the media world even seems to remember what happened, and all have been giving him praise. Plus, he really seems to have learned something.

His sit down with Jim Mora was blatently honest and I walked away happy for Michael Vick. Good for him, how many people get the chance to turn their life around? How many people actually do it?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...nging-his-life

There's another part of it, but it seems to be unavailable...

Everyone deserves a second chance. Michael Vick is no different, and he's done it all the right way. Kept his head down, his mouth shut and sat behind Kolb. All the while preparing to be the starter like he never did in Atl and he chance came along, and he's run away with it. He is FAR from the player he was in Atl, he's a MUCH better QB.

I would take Vick at the drop of a hat. Expect someone to come along now and post some random pic of a dog.

Mecca · 10-11-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Against what competition? The Lions and the Jaguars? Those teams can't stop anybody.

I like the new attitude, but at the end of the day, I don't trust him to consistently beat playoff defenses. You get a good defense that can blitz him and force him to stay in the pocket, and he becomes a very average QB--big arm, no accuracy.

In fairness he shredded Green Bay once he came in.

MadMax · 10-11-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barret

I have seen some people say that we would go out and get a free agent next year to replace Cassel and then draft a QB in the first round. Or something like that, so who would be available as free agents??

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Peyton Manning Indy
Tom Brady New England
Brett Favre Minn
Donovan McNabb Wash
Matt Moore Carolina
Kyle Orton Denver
Matt Hasselback Sea
Alex Smith SF
Troy Smith, BAL
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O'Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Michael Vick, PHI
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS

A couple of notes from above. Obviously Manning and Brady arent going anywhere. I didnt know that Croyle was in the last year of his Contract. THIGPEN IS AVAILABLE!!!!

But on that list of free agents who is really going to be the stop gap for 1 or 2 years to get a rookie into shape? An Aging veteran that might help groom a new QB, well Collins, Mcabb or Hasselback would fit in that scenario. All 3 are older but would be a dramatic upgrade over Cassel. You certainly dont want a New QB fresh out of college learning the "stare the receiver down / chuck it into triple coverage" that Cassel is teaching.

If I were Croyle I'd want as far away from this QB loser franchise as possible....

chiefzilla1501 · 10-11-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

In fairness he shredded Green Bay once he came in.

He did, but I think it's a lot different when your defense is gameplanning for Kolb and then get caught by surprise when Vick comes in.

Now, I could see Vick going places because the NFC is just so ****ing awful. But if you put him in KC, he's going to get trounced by the Jets, Steelers, Ravens, and probably even the Chiefs' defense.

Mecca · 10-11-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He did, but I think it's a lot different when your defense is gameplanning for Kolb and then get caught by surprise when Vick comes in.

Now, I could see Vick going places because the NFC is just so ****ing awful. But if you put him in KC, he's going to get trounced by the Jets, Steelers, Ravens, and probably even the Chiefs' defense.

He still gives you a better chance than Matt Cassel. The Chiefs are about to be in the worst position ever that we discussed before. They're going to have enough talent to be a 8-11 win team consistently which means we get stuck with this shithole QB.

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Barret Still Lurking Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: East Texas Casino cash: $1963790	I have seen some people say that we would go out and get a free agent next year to replace Cassel and then draft a QB in the first round. Or something like that, so who would be available as free agents?? http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html Peyton Manning Indy Tom Brady New England Brett Favre Minn Donovan McNabb Wash Matt Moore Carolina Kyle Orton Denver Matt Hasselback Sea Alex Smith SF Troy Smith, BAL Trent Edwards, BUF JT O'Sullivan, CIN Seneca Wallace, CLE Shaun Hill, DET Brodie Croyle, KC Chad Pennington, MIA Tyler Thigpen, MIA Tarvaris Jackson, MIN Jim Sorgi, NYG Kellen Clemens, NYJ Bruce Gradkowski, OAK Michael Vick, PHI Dennis Dixon, PIT Billy Volek, SD Kerry Collins, TEN Chris Simms, TEN Rex Grossman, WAS A couple of notes from above. Obviously Manning and Brady arent going anywhere. I didnt know that Croyle was in the last year of his Contract. THIGPEN IS AVAILABLE!!!! But on that list of free agents who is really going to be the stop gap for 1 or 2 years to get a rookie into shape? An Aging veteran that might help groom a new QB, well Collins, Mcabb or Hasselback would fit in that scenario. All 3 are older but would be a dramatic upgrade over Cassel. You certainly dont want a New QB fresh out of college learning the "stare the receiver down / chuck it into triple coverage" that Cassel is teaching.
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	I am VERY surprised by all of the Vick hate. Have any of you even watched him play this year? He looks like a GREAT QB. He has done EVERYTHING right, including the way he is playing the QB position. Pass first, run second. On top of his fantastic stats of 61.5% completion percentage, 6TD's to 0INT's, and a 108 QB rating, he has run for 187yds. and a TD.At 7ypc, that's as good as Charles. Mind you, a lot of these were from the Wildcat and designed plays and not a result of him being run first. All of this if from behind the same TERRIBLE oline Kolb gets an excuse for sucking behind. I can understand you saying you don't want him personally b/c you are a weird dog over-lover. I loves dogs and MY dog especially, but I'm don't cry about it, b/c there are worse things and that's the way the world works. Calling him a PR nightmare is reeruned though. Nobody in the media world even seems to remember what happened, and all have been giving him praise. Plus, he really seems to have learned something. His sit down with Jim Mora was blatently honest and I walked away happy for Michael Vick. Good for him, how many people get the chance to turn their life around? How many people actually do it? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...nging-his-life There's another part of it, but it seems to be unavailable... Everyone deserves a second chance. Michael Vick is no different, and he's done it all the right way. Kept his head down, his mouth shut and sat behind Kolb. All the while preparing to be the starter like he never did in Atl and he chance came along, and he's run away with it. He is FAR from the player he was in Atl, he's a MUCH better QB. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by aturnis; 10-11-2010 at 02:41 PM..
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