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Old 10-18-2010, 09:51 AM  
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Let's discuss the POSSIBILITY of shaved points and fixing games.(video included)
Can't find it now but when I was n00b here I started a thread that was discussing a book I have called Interference:How Organized Crime Influences the NFL from 1989.

The author is interviewed in the attatched video from the Sajak show.I've also added a couple of other videos,one,which I believe was the biggest example of a fix that I've ever witnessed in the NFL.

Before I get lit up let me say,I'm not saying games are fixed for who wins or loses but I do believe point shaving goes on quite a bit and in the process it affects the wins and losses.

Hope you enjoy the videos and it brings about a good discussion.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:22 AM   #16
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Well, if they are doing that, they should try to be a little more discreet.
Why? They've been getting away with it for years and nobody does anything.

Fifth Down anyone? How about Super Bowl XL? How about any game where Peyton ****ing Manning might get a little green discoloration on his pretty white uniform?

Of course, anybody who points out the obvious is a whiner, a loser, or "has a victim mentality." Or so I'm told.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:29 AM   #17
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Why? They've been getting away with it for years and nobody does anything.

Fifth Down anyone? How about Super Bowl XL? How about any game where Peyton ****ing Manning might get a little green discoloration on his pretty white uniform?

Of course, anybody who points out the obvious is a whiner, a loser, or "has a victim mentality." Or so I'm told.
I don't think there's any question all leagues have a vested interest in what teams win. Anyone who disputes that is living in a dream world.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:32 AM   #18
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I don't think there's any question all leagues have a vested interest in what teams win. Anyone who disputes that is living in a dream world.

Is this why the Yankees are in the playoffs every year? Leagues need "flagship" teams love them or hate them.

Wait, why are the Cowboys 1 -4 then? : )
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:34 AM   #19
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I don't think there's any question all leagues have a vested interest in what teams win. Anyone who disputes that is living in a dream world.
Do you think that the league ever had any kind of essential "vested interest" in seeing a team in Indianapolis win?
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Do you think that the league ever had any kind of essential "vested interest" in seeing a team in Indianapolis win?
Not until they decided Peyton Manning was going to be the face of the NFL.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:37 AM   #21
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Is this why the Yankees are in the playoffs every year? Leagues need "flagship" teams love them or hate them.

Wait, why are the Cowboys 1 -4 then? : )
I think in recent years the NFL has gone with the Patriots and Steelers as the "flagships" over the Cowboys. For a long time the Cowboys and 49ers played those roles.
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Why? They've been getting away with it for years and nobody does anything.

Fifth Down anyone? How about Super Bowl XL? How about any game where Peyton ****ing Manning might get a little green discoloration on his pretty white uniform?

Of course, anybody who points out the obvious is a whiner, a loser, or "has a victim mentality." Or so I'm told.
Exactly, Mr. frazod. Exactly.

People say that you shouldn't blame the officials when you experience a loss. But, sometimes it's pretty darn obvious that preferential treatment is being distributed in an unfair manner. When that occurs, I say, "Why not?" and "Let's kill the bastards!" and things like that.

Hali's inability to draw holding calls is a great example. Apparently, somebody in the NFL visited his home town and wound up in a gang Gbanga or something.

You often hear ex-player people and color dudes commenting about how some players are so respected that they rarely get called for stuff. Or, how the officials could call holding on every play if they so desired. Or, how it isn't a foul if you don't get caught. Et cetera and so on. Seems fishy, to me.

I mean, why institute instant replay at all? Obviously, a lot of people grew weary of the crap calls in critical situations.

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I think in recent years the NFL has gone with the Patriots and Steelers as the "flagships" over the Cowboys. For a long time the Cowboys and 49ers played those roles.
And the Mannings, Mr. Mecca. Don't forget the Mannings.

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Not until they decided Peyton Manning was going to be the face of the NFL.
We're going to see the exact same thing with the Jets and Sanchez. They're going to do everything possible to prop him up and get that team to the championship as often as possible, both for the new york market and to have a hispanic face for the NFL. Sort of a next generation Tony Gonzalez, in a real market, playing a real position.
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Do you think that the league ever had any kind of essential "vested interest" in seeing a team in Indianapolis win?
For reasons beyond mortal understanding, Mr. ClevelandBronco, Manning and his weird penis nose has a billion endorsement deals which the NFL loves. Advertising is revenue and, if there's one thing the NFL likes, it's revenue.

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We're going to see the exact same thing with the Jets and Sanchez. They're going to do everything possible to prop him up and get that team to the championship as often as possible, both for the new york market and to have a hispanic face for the NFL. Sort of a next generation Tony Gonzalez, in a real market, playing a real position.
That's a really good point, I could easily see the Jets taking the Patriots spot in league favor. The NFL has a ton to gain from the Jets being a flagship with Sanchez as a premier face.
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Not until they decided Peyton Manning was going to be the face of the NFL.
I guess I'm skeptical that that occurrence was orchestrated by anyone outside the Manning family, his teammates, the Colts' front office, his marketing team (you're right, Mr. FAX, especially his marketing team) and Peyton himself. It would be easier to convince me that the NFL saw a good thing that was already happening and embraced it.
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For reasons beyond mortal understanding, Mr. ClevelandBronco, Manning and his weird penis nose has a billion endorsement deals which the NFL loves. Advertising is revenue and, if there's one thing the NFL likes, it's revenue.

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In short for the Chiefs to ever become a favored team we'll need to draft a player that because a superstar face of the league, as soon as Manning retires the Colts will go back to being an afterthought.
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I guess I'm skeptical that that occurrence was orchestrated by anyone outside the Manning family, his teammates, the Colts' front office, his marketing team and Peyton himself. It would be easier to convince me that the NFL saw a good thing that was already happening and embraced it.
Well obviously it starts with the player, they don't hitch the wagon to a rookie right away. But as soon as they saw what he was becoming and going to be they decided he was the face of the league and are riding that horse for all it's worth.
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In short for the Chiefs to ever become a favored team we'll need to draft a player that because a superstar face of the league, as soon as Manning retires the Colts will go back to being an afterthought.
Call me crazy, but the inevitable decline of the Colts might have something to do with losing Peyton's rare and irreplaceable talent.
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