Chiefs Would you be OK with Mike Vick in KC? - Page 4

JohnnyV13 · 10-22-2010, 10:16 AM

I don't think the Chiefs will pick up Cassel's bonus in the offseason. If Cassel doesn't show he's playoff winning material by the end of this season, would you be OK with the Chiefs getting Vick? (Who is a FA at the end of this year).

Even if the Eagles go back to Vick as the starter for the rest of the year, Kolb's play and age means Vick is likely on the FA market. Vick also "dreamed of being KC's qb" when he was locked up in Leavenworth.

I think Vick is likely a changed guy, in that he's suddenly become coachable. He's out to prove people wrong, and I think he's been humbled. I don't think he's a choir boy, but he probably very much appreciates his NFL lifestyle these days. Having gone bankrupt, he's likely to have also lost his entourage.

Imagine how hard the Chiefs would be to stop on 3rd downs with Vick at QB. With our running game, Vick would mostly be confronted with 3rd and shorts. That's tailor made for his skill set. With playmakers like Charles and McCluster to use on misdirections, Vick would be absolutely scary.

And, with Vick's huge arm, we could drive people crazy with play action if we could get him a marginally competent deep threat.

CHENZ A! · 10-22-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Man, the most overrated QB in the NFL. Even still.

No, I absolutely do not want Vick. The guy is a running QB. You put him in front of Pittsburgh, Baltimore, or the Jets, and the guy is going to put up less than 150 all purpose yards. No, no, and no.

And from a character standpoint, is he a guy who's going to fire his team up? Is he a guy who can LEAD this team? is he a guy who's going to pull time in the film room and take extra reps with his receivers? And for that matter, given that he's been to parties even after the reputation hit, is he a guy who can stay out of trouble?

No to Michael Vick. Bring in a veteran stopgap like Shaun Hill and then draft a QB.

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chiefzilla1501 · 10-22-2010, 12:08 PM

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How many times have you seen Michael Vick shut down because a defense was quick enough to get into the backfield to contain him?

He sucks when a defense bottles him into the backfield. Gunther ****ing Cunningham embarrassed him a few years ago. His only formula was to attack him.

So yeah, if you want a guy who's going to win you 10 regular season games a year and then lay a big goose egg when he plays a playoff defense, he's your man.

ILikeBigTiddys · 10-22-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

As long as we draft a QB early come April...I'd be fine with it.

Agreed

RustShack · 10-22-2010, 12:15 PM

Have you even watched Vick in the last five years? Hes gotten a lot better at also being a throwing QB.

Chiefs Rool · 10-22-2010, 12:18 PM

ya, I'd be all for it.

JohnnyV13 · 10-22-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jbwm89

I am all in, as long as we still draft a qb in the next 1-2 drafts.

Hell yes, that's my idea. Draft a QB no. 1 next season (unless a good OLB pass rusher falls in our lap). Give him time to adjust to the NFL according to the Aaron Rodgers model.

But, my plan would be to draft a qb no. 1 in 2011, because Blitzburgh has shown how a good personnel office can find 3-4 pass rushers down the draft.

To me the draft plan would be to find 1) a QBOTF and 2) 2nd pass rusher.

JohnnyV13 · 10-22-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Overrated. He is hurt for a reason. His style of play will not ever win a Championship.

This has been proven over and over.

I think Vick is a changed QB. HIs couple of games in Philly have shown he's trying to be a passer. Maybe he's learned from McNabb (a perfect example for Vick because McNabb came into the league as a running QB).

Before, I would have agreed with you. Vick was fun to watch, but he wasn't going to win because that guy wasn't going to change. He had too much money, too much adulation and too many highlights to do anything differently.

I don't think Vick's any choir boy. I think he won't do anything bad because he knows he's one mistake away from prison. Even a reeruned donkey would figure out that he's much better off living in a mansion banging hotties.

I think he'd do anything he needs to keep an NFL lifestyle. And, I think he wants to show up the millions of people who called him a POS. Frankly, they're right. But if he's changed his behavior, why should we care about the motives?

Mecca · 10-22-2010, 12:37 PM

I'll take whichever QB the Eagles don't keep.

JohnnyV13 · 10-22-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll take whichever QB the Eagles don't keep.

This. But, if we got Kolb, I wouldn't draft a QBOTF no. 1, because he's young enough. I just think that Philly will keep Kolb, given his performance. If Kolb suddenly starts playing badly and shows he's not ready. Well, then I'm not so sure I'd be after him.

**fan4ever** · 10-22-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

No I hate that piece of shit. I know the NFL isn't fille with choirboys but I can't root for someone who took such great pleasure in torturing dogs. Google and read Vicks confession to see the extent to what a piece of shit he was. He may have served his time but I never want him on the Chiefs ever.

People are brought up differently; from what I understand, although many of us consider pets family members, he considered them property, and being originally from a farming community, he's not unique in that mindset.

I'm not excusing what he did, but I don't think it's something he should have to pay for forever...after all, he lost millions of dollars and his freedom for a while. Unless he's involved in something like this again, I'd say "good luck".

Hell, child molestors get less flack than he did.

Sorry; off topic, I know.

Inspector · 10-22-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

I wouldn't want to throw him a bone. He could come back to bite us. Also, seeing as how he is injured, he would have to prove he could heel. I could probably see him in a back up roll over a starting role.

It would be fun to unleash him on our opponents, though. That would be a treat. They would certainly roll over. Hell, while we are at it, we could even jack Russel from free agency.

If the experiment failed, however, Pioli would be in the doghouse. The media would pound him. He would eventually lick his wounds and get over it, but in the mean time, the story line would fetch a lot of attention.

baitism · 10-22-2010, 01:53 PM

Dude served his time. Some of you need to get over yourselves.

Norman Einstein · 10-22-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

Dude served his time. Some of you need to get over yourselves.

I guess I didn't see the fact that he was a convicted fellon anywhere. I now if I were one I couldn't work in my profession. I wonder why the NFL turns a blind eye towards that?

BIG_DADDY · 10-22-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

This. But, if we got Kolb, I wouldn't draft a QBOTF no. 1, because he's young enough. I just think that Philly will keep Kolb, given his performance. If Kolb suddenly starts playing badly and shows he's not ready. Well, then I'm not so sure I'd be after him.

I like all your takes on this subject.

Mr. Laz · 10-22-2010, 02:01 PM

rather not ... has nothing to do with the dogs either.

I just think that Vick's success will not last. He's is getting older now and won't be able to take the shots or run as fast going forward. Do you really want a "pass only" Vick as your franchise QB?

10-22-2010, 10:16 AM
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5375200	Would you be OK with Mike Vick in KC? I don't think the Chiefs will pick up Cassel's bonus in the offseason. If Cassel doesn't show he's playoff winning material by the end of this season, would you be OK with the Chiefs getting Vick? (Who is a FA at the end of this year). Even if the Eagles go back to Vick as the starter for the rest of the year, Kolb's play and age means Vick is likely on the FA market. Vick also "dreamed of being KC's qb" when he was locked up in Leavenworth. I think Vick is likely a changed guy, in that he's suddenly become coachable. He's out to prove people wrong, and I think he's been humbled. I don't think he's a choir boy, but he probably very much appreciates his NFL lifestyle these days. Having gone bankrupt, he's likely to have also lost his entourage. Imagine how hard the Chiefs would be to stop on 3rd downs with Vick at QB. With our running game, Vick would mostly be confronted with 3rd and shorts. That's tailor made for his skill set. With playmakers like Charles and McCluster to use on misdirections, Vick would be absolutely scary. And, with Vick's huge arm, we could drive people crazy with play action if we could get him a marginally competent deep threat.
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3006954	Have you even watched Vick in the last five years? Hes gotten a lot better at also being a throwing QB. __________________
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	rather not ... has nothing to do with the dogs either. I just think that Vick's success will not last. He's is getting older now and won't be able to take the shots or run as fast going forward. Do you really want a "pass only" Vick as your franchise QB? __________________
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