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**Lzen** · 10-28-2010, 08:57 AM

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**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I can honestly say I would MUCH rather have Sanchez right now and well, it stings a little bit.

Shouldn't sting at all.

Who doesn't want what's best for the team?

I didn't care for either R2 pick, but if they can build off of what they've done thus far, and have solid careers, it won't "sting" me at all.

I do appreciate your honestly. Not enough of that around here.

Marcellus · 10-28-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Chiefs would be talked about as this decade's dyntasy right now if that was the case.

May be but I can't change who I am rooting for, the Chiefs, so I am going to root for who I have (CAssel) to improve and succeed. It sucks but it is what it is.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I see no reason to believe he wont improve.

His output in the offense is gradually climbing as well. I don't know what the end result will be but I am guessing well past 550.

It's all going to come down to health, IMO.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-28-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Chiefs would be talked about as this decade's dyntasy right now if that was the case.

Doubt it. Chiefs would be looking at another 4-12 year. First, assuming the trade doesn't happen, then Vrabel isn't here. He is an instrumental leader and a second coach on the defense.

Secondly, right now, at THIS moment, Cassel is better than Sanchez, and it's not really close. Sanchez has more talent around him. Cassel has done more with less. The Jets line, WR's and even TE is better. The running backs are a push.

Now, this isn't to say that Sanchez won't be much better in a few years, but currently, Cassel is better.

LOCOChief · 10-28-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Would you rather have the Jets or the Steelers on the schedule?

I'd rather have the Chiefs schedule, but I happen to like the team.

Marcellus · 10-28-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Shouldn't sting at all.

Who doesn't want what's best for the team?

I didn't care for either R2 pick, but if they can build off of what they've done thus far, and have solid careers, it won't "sting" me at all.

I do appreciate your honestly. Not enough of that around here.

It stings because I don't have a choice. We have Cassel and that's what I have to root for because I WANT him to succeed.

It won't sting a bit for me if Cassel improves and does his job when needed.

The difference is I think you can objectively look at it and realize Sanchez has more time and more likely upside.

-King- · 10-28-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Chiefs would be talked about as this decade's dyntasy right now if that was the case.

Again...I ask why?

Sanchez is better than Cassel.... but better =/= good. He hasn't shown shit in NY.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Come on....

First, Cassel is ahead of that second year player. Second, Sanchez doesn't have 'unlimited' upside.

Now, Sanchez has proven me wrong already. Now, he hasn't proven to be a pro bowler yet, but he has been more of a leader than I thought he would be. I will probably eat crow for a while on Sanchez. I am prepared to do that. But, 'unlimited' upside?

Okay, now, for Cassel..... really, you think he has hit his ceiling? You mean, like Trent Green, Rich Gannon, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Matt Hasselbeck, and many others. These are just the ones that came to mind.

I don't know how much better Cassel will get. No one on this board does, because frankly, his level of play currently was considered impossible five weeks ago.

WTF are you talking about?

This exact scenario was discussed by several of us the minute Weis was hired.

We knew that to "fix the QB" Weis would mask his deficiencies by throwing a lot of underneath stuff, hoping for YAC. Hell, I even vaguely recall someone, maybe Hamas saying he'd probably throw for 175 a game and that people would praise him for it.

And sure as shit, 6 games in, he's thrown for an average of 174, and people are acting as if he's "improved" because he's cut his INT's in half - because Weis doesn't ask him to make difficult throws.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

It stings because I don't have a choice. We have Cassel and that's what I have to root for because I WANT him to succeed.

It won't sting a bit for me if Cassel improves and does his job when needed.

The difference is I think you can objectively look at it and realize Sanchez has more time and more likely upside.

Yeah, look back 5 or 6 posts.

Objectivity isn't the strong suit of some here.

Marcellus · 10-28-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

WTF are you talking about?

This exact scenario was discussed by several of us the minute Weis was hired.

We knew that to "fix the QB" Weis would mask his deficiencies by throwing a lot of underneath stuff, hoping for YAC. Hell, I even vaguely recall someone, maybe Hamas saying he'd probably throw for 175 a game and that people would praise him for it.

And sure as shit, 6 games in, he's thrown for an average of 174, and people are acting as if he's "improved" because he's cut his INT's in half - because Weis doesn't ask him to make difficult throws.

I agree to a point except Brady has the same number of down field throws as Cassel and he is playing on a team with a much worse running game so he is throwing the ball more often. You can bet now Moss is gone the number of balls down field will not go up.

It's a 3 step quick throw offense.The offense is designed for what it is, and it fits what Cassel does.

And yes it was somewhat predicted before the season but that's no surprise, that's how this works.

The clutch plays are what needs to be improved on IMO, not the worrying about down field throws.

The clutch play is what separates the Brady's from the Cassel's.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief

I'd rather have the Chiefs schedule, but I happen to like the team.

ON the schedule.

As in PLAYING them instead of the cupcakes we've played.

Here we go again with the double standard.

If Oakland had our record, and played the same teams we played, we'd all be talking about how they haven't beaten anyone.

I'm happy as hell they are taking advantage of a weak schedule.

Doesn't mean I can't be concerned about how the team is going to do against good teams.

And as I said, luckily, we only have to face one or two more this year in the regular season - hopefully they can continue to take advantage of it.

stevieray · 10-28-2010, 08:12 PM

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SenselessChiefsFan · 10-28-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

WTF are you talking about?

This exact scenario was discussed by several of us the minute Weis was hired.

We knew that to "fix the QB" Weis would mask his deficiencies by throwing a lot of underneath stuff, hoping for YAC. Hell, I even vaguely recall someone, maybe Hamas saying he'd probably throw for 175 a game and that people would praise him for it.

And sure as shit, 6 games in, he's thrown for an average of 174, and people are acting as if he's "improved" because he's cut his INT's in half - because Weis doesn't ask him to make difficult throws.

Sacks down, Int's down, top passer rating over the last 4 weeks. Yup..... CP nailed it.

Weis always throws underneath stuff. That is his offense. Same offense that Brady excelled in. The same offense that masked a decent, but not spectacular offensive line in NE. Same offense that is masking our decent, but not spectacular offensive line.

Marcellus · 10-28-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Sacks down, Int's down, top passer rating over the last 4 weeks. Yup..... CP nailed it.

Weis always throws underneath stuff. That is his offense. Same offense that Brady excelled in. The same offense that masked a decent, but not spectacular offensive line in NE. Same offense that is masking our decent, but not spectacular offensive line.

I looked up the splits and Brady to this point has thrown the exact same number of completions past 11 yards as Cassel.

It's the offense.

**BossChief** · 10-28-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Except one is 22 with unlimited upside, and one is 28, and has likely reached his ceiling.

I love it when people compare the two - it makes them look reeruned.

CASSEL'S RIGHT ON PAR WITH THAT 2ND YEAR PLAYER11!!!11

Sanchez' upside is not unlimited...lets not get out of hand here.

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