Chiefs Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. - Page 2

Hammock Parties · 05:26 AM

We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT):

Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards.

I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts.

Henne - 58.6 1/1
Rivers - 54.5 7/5
Schaub - 54.4 4/4
Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3
Romo - 51.7 4/2
E. Manning - 50.6 8/4
Young - 50.0 6/1
Kolb - 50.0 2/2
Flacco - 49.4 10/4
Ryan - 49.3 7/2
P. Manning - 48.4 8/1
Rodgers 48.3 10/8
Orton - 47.5 7/3
Favre - 46.9 5/6
Palmer - 46.5 4/3
Garrard - 46.4 4/5
Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3
Anderson - 45.1 1/2
Bradford - 45 5/5
Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5
Smith - 40.2 4/3
Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att)
Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att)
Gradkowski 38.1 2/4
Freeman - 34.2 3/2
Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att)
Hill - 29.5 4/2
Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att)

For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history:

2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT
2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT

Notes:

1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders.

2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order.

3. Sanchez, bitches!!!

4. Flacco is a ****ing stud.

5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick.

**petegz28** · 10-28-2010, 10:21 PM

What's amazing is how many of the QB's ahead of our hero Cassel have a .500 or worse record this season

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandolf

You rather talk about Jay Cutler?

Jay Cutler downs three long island ice teas, six miller lites, two jaeger bombs and a body shot off the hottest Chicago waitress he takes home and bangs Saturday night before getting up after four hours, enjoying a pregame bloody mary and chucking the ball down the field with 1.0409 times the efficiency of a completely sober and celibate Matt Cassel after 10 hours of sleep.

**QuikSsurfer** · 10-28-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandolf

Where's 2003 where he sat five games behind Flutie?

Look at the interceptions, BUT that isn't the whole story. Find some stats for Red Zone interceptions please.

Yeah he was a total piece of shit 7 years ago....

**jAZ** · 10-28-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Brees enjoys the support of the 26th ranked running game.

By the way, Brady leads the NFL's top-ranked scoring offense. I'm fairly certain the credit doesn't go to BenJarvus Green-Ellis or Danny Woodhead.

No matter what you rationalize, Cassel is as bad as Brees and Brady on 10+ yard passes. That's the whole point of this thread. Ignoring that point and throwing in rushing stats means nothing.

Cassel is decent. He's developing. They are scheming to fit his strengths and paper over his weaknesses. We are winning with him being #25 in +10 yard passes.

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

No matter what you rationalize, Cassel is as bad as Brees and Brady on 10+ yard passes.

Certainly a six-game stretch in 2010 outweighs the careers of Brees and Brady.

Cassel isn't as bad as Brees and Brady. Brees and Brady are as bad as Cassel this year. And Alex Smith.

I have a feeling two quarterbacks will elevate their game by the end of the year.

**Bearcat** · 10-28-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandolf

Where's 2003 where he sat five games behind Flutie?

Look at the interceptions, BUT that isn't the whole story. Find some stats for Red Zone interceptions please.

You said he follows up good-great seasons with duds, so I figured I'd give you 2002 and 2003... oh, and that was 7 years ago.

Here are your red zone stats... the past 5 full seasons (and if you really care, the first two lines are 2009, then 2008, etc). One is Drew Brees and one is Peyton Manning (strange how they're almost identical in # of attempts... oh, and interceptions).

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BY FIELD POSITION	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
Opp 19-1 ydline	        49	87	347	56.3	3.99	18	21	1	0	100.4
Opp 9-Goal ydline	19	32	78	59.4	2.44	9	10	0	0	103.6
Opp 19-1 ydline	        60	92	416	65.2	4.52	19	22	3	1	101.3
Opp 9-Goal ydline	25	38	100	65.8	2.63	9	12	2	0	87.1
Opp 19-1 ydline	        60	84	314	71.4	3.74	19	23	0	0	116.8
Opp 9-Goal ydline	29	45	84	64.4	1.87	8	18	0	0	107.9
Opp 19-1 ydline	        25	56	159	44.6	2.84	15	10	2	2	76.5
Opp 9-Goal ydline	11	33	47	33.3	1.42	9	7	2	2	56.7
Opp 19-1 ydline	        30	49	255	61.2	5.2	19	14	3	1	88.9
Opp 9-Goal ydline	10	16	47	62.5	2.94	8	6	1	1	80.2
	                318	 532	1847	0.598	3.47		143	14	7

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BY FIELD POSITION	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
Opp 19-1 ydline	        47	78	267	60.3	3.42	15	20	1	1	100.8
Opp 9-Goal ydline	23	38	92	60.5	2.42	9	17	1	0	93.6
Opp 19-1 ydline	        46	68	300	67.6	4.41	19	20	1	0	110.3
Opp 9-Goal ydline	18	26	72	69.2	2.77	9	13	1	0	95.8
Opp 19-1 ydline	        47	84	302	56	3.6	19	18	3	2	88.4
Opp 9-Goal ydline	20	36	103	55.6	2.86	9	14	0	1	100.5
Opp 19-1 ydline	        46	81	320	56.8	3.95	19	24	2	1	95.2
Opp 9-Goal ydline	19	33	61	57.6	1.85	9	17	1	1	89.5
Opp 19-1 ydline	        41	69	309	59.4	4.48	18	15	0	2	109.8
Opp 9-Goal ydline	12	25	60	48	2.4	9	8	0	1	94.2
	                319	538	1886	0.593	3.51		166	10	9

CrazyHorse · 10-29-2010, 12:20 AM

Judging by the list and the order they are in proves little more than this particular stat doesn't mean shit for wins and losses. It also doesn't account for run after the catch.

You're chasing your tail here.

The only thing that matters is that Cassel is playing well right now.

Im not really interested in tearing him down just for the excersize. You come off like you have an axe to grind.

Listen, you can pick every player in the NFL and find something they dont do well. Some more than others. Those resigned to spending thier football experience looking for those short comings and whining arent doing what I would call maximizing thier football experience. In fact, why not watch something else on Sunday.

I understand more when we are losing, but we're not. We are a team rebuilding and winning with promise for the future.

Quit making an ass of yourself.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Judging by the list and the order they are in proves little more than this particular stat doesn't mean shit for wins and losses. It also doesn't account for run after the catch.

Yes it does.

By the way, of the top 10 quarterbacks on this list, 7 are 3-3 or better, 6 are above .500 and 5 of those teams are winning at a .667 clip or better.

CrazyHorse · 10-29-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Yes it does.

By the way, of the top 10 quarterbacks on this list, 7 are 3-3 or better, 6 are above .500 and 5 of those teams are winning at a .667 clip or better.

I havent done the math....but couldnt the same be said for the 5 consecutive teams frrom Cassel on up?

Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2

The top 3 on your list are 5-14 I believe.

Yeah, its useless.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2

And guess what 4 of those 5 quarterbacks have in common?

They're supported by top 10 defenses.

It's not useless. The top three are all good players.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:40 AM

This guy completed 57 percent of his throws over 10 yards last season.

How'd his year end up?

CrazyHorse · 10-29-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

This guy completed 57 percent of his throws over 10 yards last season.

How'd his year end up?

So you're saying Fitz is going to the Superbowl and this is a list of best to worst QBs in the league? Because if thats not what you're saying, then this is a useless stat pertaining to winning and losing. Like I said.

As far as winning and losing, more factors into a win and a loss. let me repost my original statement so you can recind yours.

Quote:

Judging by the list and the order they are in proves little more than this particular stat doesn't mean shit for wins and losses. It also doesn't account for run after the catch.

You're chasing your tail here.

The only thing that matters is that Cassel is playing well right now.

Im not really interested in tearing him down just for the excersize. You come off like you have an axe to grind.

Listen, you can pick every player in the NFL and find something they dont do well. Some more than others. Those resigned to spending thier football experience looking for those short comings and whining arent doing what I would call maximizing thier football experience. In fact, why not watch something else on Sunday.

I understand more when we are losing, but we're not. We are a team rebuilding and winning with promise for the future.

Quit making an ass of yourself

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

As far as winning and losing, more factors into a win and a loss.

Agreed. Why do you think Matt Cassel is 4-2?

CrazyHorse · 10-29-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Agreed. Why do you think Matt Cassel is 4-2?

Because he's playing well enough to be 4-2.

Does this mean you'll quit whining, now that you agree the stat is useless?

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Does this mean you'll quit whining, now that you agree the stat is useless?

I won't play your game, silly man. Goodnight.

10-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $830478	Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT): Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards. I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts. Henne - 58.6 1/1 Rivers - 54.5 7/5 Schaub - 54.4 4/4 Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3 Romo - 51.7 4/2 E. Manning - 50.6 8/4 Young - 50.0 6/1 Kolb - 50.0 2/2 Flacco - 49.4 10/4 Ryan - 49.3 7/2 P. Manning - 48.4 8/1 Rodgers 48.3 10/8 Orton - 47.5 7/3 Favre - 46.9 5/6 Palmer - 46.5 4/3 Garrard - 46.4 4/5 Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3 Anderson - 45.1 1/2 Bradford - 45 5/5 Sanchez - 44.8 6/2 Cutler - 43.2 3/4 McNabb - 42.8 5/ Brady - 42.0 4/4 Cassel - 41.5 4/2 Brees - 41.4 4/5 Smith - 40.2 4/3 Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att) Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att) Gradkowski 38.1 2/4 Freeman - 34.2 3/2 Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att) Hill - 29.5 4/2 Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att) For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history: 2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT 2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT Notes: 1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders. 2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order. 3. Sanchez, bitches!!! 4. Flacco is a ***ing stud. 5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick. Last edited by Hammock Parties; 10-29-2010 at 05:26 AM..*
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CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Judging by the list and the order they are in proves little more than this particular stat doesn't mean shit for wins and losses. It also doesn't account for run after the catch. You're chasing your tail here. The only thing that matters is that Cassel is playing well right now. Im not really interested in tearing him down just for the excersize. You come off like you have an axe to grind. Listen, you can pick every player in the NFL and find something they dont do well. Some more than others. Those resigned to spending thier football experience looking for those short comings and whining arent doing what I would call maximizing thier football experience. In fact, why not watch something else on Sunday. I understand more when we are losing, but we're not. We are a team rebuilding and winning with promise for the future. Quit making an ass of yourself.
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10-29-2010, 12:40 AM	#26
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