Chiefs Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. - Page 8

Hammock Parties · 05:26 AM

We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT):

Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards.

I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts.

Henne - 58.6 1/1
Rivers - 54.5 7/5
Schaub - 54.4 4/4
Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3
Romo - 51.7 4/2
E. Manning - 50.6 8/4
Young - 50.0 6/1
Kolb - 50.0 2/2
Flacco - 49.4 10/4
Ryan - 49.3 7/2
P. Manning - 48.4 8/1
Rodgers 48.3 10/8
Orton - 47.5 7/3
Favre - 46.9 5/6
Palmer - 46.5 4/3
Garrard - 46.4 4/5
Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3
Anderson - 45.1 1/2
Bradford - 45 5/5
Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5
Smith - 40.2 4/3
Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att)
Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att)
Gradkowski 38.1 2/4
Freeman - 34.2 3/2
Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att)
Hill - 29.5 4/2
Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att)

For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history:

2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT
2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT

Notes:

1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders.

2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order.

3. Sanchez, bitches!!!

4. Flacco is a ****ing stud.

5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick.

stevieray · 10-29-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We're talking about a guy with questionable arm strength,

the flea flicker for a TD was 65 yards..

Reerun_KC · 10-29-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

the flea flicker for a TD was a 65 yards..

But Bowe had to turn around and wait for it... Almost threw it out of the endzone, it if wasnt for an amazing catch by Bowe...

Just Passin' By · 10-29-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

That's incredibly stupid.

Mostly because, well, I'm real sure Cassel's completion percentage is actually gonna go DOWN if he throws more, and throws more down the field.

Duh?

You might want to go back and re-read the post you were responding to. You're talking specifically about downfield passes and saying that there's not enough of them to evaluate TD/INT percentage. Meanwhile, you're trying to claim that there are enough to evaluate the completion percentage of those same downfield passes. Either the number is enough to analyze, or it's not.

milkman · 10-29-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

the flea flicker for a TD was 65 yards..

And it was a rainbow.

Sandolf · 10-29-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Good grief.

Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5

stevieray · 10-29-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

And it was a rainbow.

ya....becuase 65 yard throws are on a rope. great rebuttal.

swear, dude, you're gonna piss on this shit everyday of the season, you're getting too bitter to read..

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:10 PM

Arm strength is not defined by how far you can throw the ball anyway.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You might want to go back and re-read the post you were responding to. You're talking specifically about downfield passes and saying that there's not enough of them to evaluate TD/INT percentage. Meanwhile, you're trying to claim that there are enough to evaluate the completion percentage of those same downfield passes. Either the number is enough to analyze, or it's not.

You're a buffoon. This isn't hard.

Try to keep up now:

Fewer throws down the field = less risk = fewer interceptions.

Capiche?

Just Passin' By · 10-29-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

You're a buffoon. This isn't hard.

Try to keep up now:

Fewer throws down the field = less risk = fewer interceptions.

Capiche?

If it's not hard, you should have been able to figure it out by now.

Fewer throws down the field = fewer touchdowns on throws down the field as well as fewer INTs down the field. Either you have enough to analyze, or you don't. If he's thrown enough of the passes for the completion percentage to be meaningful, he's thrown enough passes for the TD/INT ratio to be meaningful, as well. You are trying to bag on him for the completion percentage while ignoring the TD/INT ratio from the same sample size.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If he's thrown enough of the passes for the completion percentage to be meaningful, he's thrown enough passes for the TD/INT ratio to be meaningful, as well.

No, that's just ****ing stupid.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Anyway, it's ****ing irrelevant to the conversation. Give him credit or not, I don't care. The fact remains his downfield passing percentage sucks balls, and there's no debating that.

Chiefnj2 · 10-29-2010, 12:20 PM

Cassel has a wildly inconsistent WR and rookie TE as his two main targets. They don't really have a burner that can stretch the field. That too is going to affect how many shots Weis can take down the field.

Plus, this year has been all about low risk football.

milkman · 10-29-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

ya....becuase 65 yard throws are on a rope. great rebuttal.

swear, dude, you're gonna piss on this shit everyday of the season, you're getting too bitter to read..

My point is that throwing a ball 65 yards is not a measure of arm strength.

There's only a couple of QBs with the arm strength to throw a ball even 50 yards on a rope.

Oh, and why are you getting onto a pissing match with me here?
I was actually defending Cassel on that throw to Bowe.

Just Passin' By · 10-29-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

No, that's just ****ing stupid.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

It's the same sample, you dolt. You like to stir up shit by making some of the stupidest arguments on the internet. Try something shocking. Make a decent argument for a change. JFC.

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Anyway, it's ****ing irrelevant to the conversation. Give him credit or not, I don't care. The fact remains his downfield passing percentage sucks balls, and there's no debating that.

Yea, with his 41.5% he's hardly any better than Drew Brees and his 41.4%, and he's even worse than that Brady guy and his lofty 42%. Good to know.

Chiefnj2 · 10-29-2010, 12:34 PM

Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40).

Chiefnj2 · 10-29-2010, 12:36 PM

Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40).

10-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $830478	Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT): Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards. I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts. Henne - 58.6 1/1 Rivers - 54.5 7/5 Schaub - 54.4 4/4 Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3 Romo - 51.7 4/2 E. Manning - 50.6 8/4 Young - 50.0 6/1 Kolb - 50.0 2/2 Flacco - 49.4 10/4 Ryan - 49.3 7/2 P. Manning - 48.4 8/1 Rodgers 48.3 10/8 Orton - 47.5 7/3 Favre - 46.9 5/6 Palmer - 46.5 4/3 Garrard - 46.4 4/5 Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3 Anderson - 45.1 1/2 Bradford - 45 5/5 Sanchez - 44.8 6/2 Cutler - 43.2 3/4 McNabb - 42.8 5/ Brady - 42.0 4/4 Cassel - 41.5 4/2 Brees - 41.4 4/5 Smith - 40.2 4/3 Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att) Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att) Gradkowski 38.1 2/4 Freeman - 34.2 3/2 Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att) Hill - 29.5 4/2 Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att) For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history: 2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT 2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT Notes: 1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders. 2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order. 3. Sanchez, bitches!!! 4. Flacco is a ***ing stud. 5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick. Last edited by Hammock Parties; 10-29-2010 at 05:26 AM..*
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Cassel has a wildly inconsistent WR and rookie TE as his two main targets. They don't really have a burner that can stretch the field. That too is going to affect how many shots Weis can take down the field. Plus, this year has been all about low risk football. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40). __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40). __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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