Chiefs Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 03:14 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm

Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen.

"I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]."

It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves."

Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."

Fritz88 · 10-30-2010, 03:23 AM

Haley will NOT let go of JC.
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Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-30-2010, 04:11 AM

I guess McDaniels has that same philisophy at every position.

runnercyclist · 10-30-2010, 04:11 AM

As much as I like Charles, I agree with this philosophy.

LaChapelle · 10-30-2010, 04:19 AM

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kcxiv · 10-30-2010, 04:23 AM

i agree with it, but he wasnt a starter in college was he? He hasnt taken all that many huge hits. He's been hit though, but he's young, its not like he's LJ and was 28 years old already.

bsp4444 · 10-30-2010, 04:29 AM

I suppose finding a Thomas Jones sort of backs up this theory.

WhitiE · 10-30-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

I guess McDaniels has that same philisophy at every position.

ahahaha

CupidStunt · 10-30-2010, 05:31 AM

You can only pray that Charles finds his way out of the division.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-30-2010, 05:33 AM

KnowMo; being a Donko homer is what you're good at. Grasping for straws in hopes that Pioli will go Full-McFistingMyself makes you look rather small and possibly butt-hurt.

Elevate your game, man; get back on track!

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ROR

KnowMo; being a Donko homer is what you're good at. Grasping for straws in hopes that Pioli will go Full-McFistingMyself makes you look rather small and possibly butt-hurt.

Elevate your game, man; get back on track!

I just found something that I figured a Chiefs fan would want to read. I couldn't care less what happens with Charles.

Hootie · 10-30-2010, 06:18 AM

Meh.

At least Charles was a 3rd round pick...

I guess you guys wasted a 12 overall on Knowshon...since I'm sure McDaniels has the same school of thought...right?

Hootie · 10-30-2010, 06:19 AM

I'm wondering if Jamaal will play a McCluster role in the offense this week if McCluster is really out like Nick Wright (lol) says...?

I hope he does...I think he has that skillset.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-30-2010, 06:33 AM

Chiefs won't break the bank for a running back. Doesn't mean they won't re-sign JC at the right price. The right move considering that I don't think JC is an every down back to begin with.

Next.

TheGuardian · 10-30-2010, 07:14 AM

Charles probably isn't going to command Adrian Peterson type money as a FA because most teams see him as what the Chiefs are doing with him. A 12-16 carry a game back. I think that Haley is using him about as perfect as you can, and other teams would look at him the same.

So I agree, you resign Charles but only at the right price. Otherwise let him walk.

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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen. "I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]." It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves." Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."
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TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6305299	Charles probably isn't going to command Adrian Peterson type money as a FA because most teams see him as what the Chiefs are doing with him. A 12-16 carry a game back. I think that Haley is using him about as perfect as you can, and other teams would look at him the same. So I agree, you resign Charles but only at the right price. Otherwise let him walk.
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