Chiefs Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs - Page 4

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 03:14 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm

Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen.

"I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]."

It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves."

Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."

tk13 · 10-30-2010, 11:25 AM

On the flipside, the Patriots have kept Kevin Faulk for a decade and a half now. So it's not like they haven't been loyal to guys.

But when we go to the 18 game schedule, you're going to see more of this and the RB position is going to become even more watered down. Even for guys like Charles. Everybody's going to be playing 2 or 3 different backs to keep guys from having 450-500 carries a year, I would think.

salame · 10-30-2010, 11:52 AM

I would rather spend the money on Brandon Flowers

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2010, 12:12 PM

Charles won't be eligible for Free Agency until after the 2014 season, so I don't even understand why this is even being discussed.

kcfanXIII · 10-30-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

3 things:

1. Pioli didn't draft Charles - carl did.

2. McCluster is the exact same type of tailback with a nearly identical skillset.

3. Your owner is at the bottom in spending and has been for several years.

Put those things together and it's quite obvious.

1. doesn't mean pioli doesn't recognize talent.

2. DMC is not the exact same tailback... charles is closer to a traditional RB, and has roughly 40 pounds on DMC.

3. that is because we cleaned most of the veteran dead weight off the roster, replacing with younger (and yes cheaper) talent.

the only thing that's obvious is the rest of the afc west is afraid of JC and want him out of the division...

kcfanXIII · 10-30-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Charles won't be eligible for Free Agency until after the 2014 season, so I don't even understand why this is even being discussed.

because knowmo is a dumbass, who is hoping and praying the chiefs let charles walk so he doesn't have to worry about 250+ days anymore. can't wait for the chiefs to get into the divisional play to shut these chokeland and dungver fans up. at least charger fans are smart enough to realize their team is done.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-30-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cutler helps opponents more than he helps his own team and he whined his way out of town, Scheffler can't/won't block, and Marshall had to go. The defense has had its best players on the shelf for a fair portion of the season.

Woodson should have tried for some actual analysis.

Cutler can be coached up. He looked good under Shanahan, didn't he? Right now, he is with the worst possible OC for him. Martz has very little respect for the football.

Scheffler is a good receiving TE.... you need all types on a team. Didn't have to start, but could have contributed.

Marshall had to go? He wouldn't have had to go if Shanny was still there.

Every team has injuries. Letting go of a guy who completely turned around the defense last year was stupid.... but not unexpected.

Woodson's point still stands.... McD is on the hot seat.

Bozo1970 · 10-30-2010, 12:30 PM

KnowShit was an accompliance to Phobia during the great rep heist. WOW CP has lost its burst

dallaschiefsfan · 10-30-2010, 01:10 PM

This is simple...if he doesn't sign for a workable contract, place the franchise tag on him and trade him (if any new CBA has such tags). At that point, you can at least get something for him instead of just letting him walk.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

This is simple...if he doesn't sign for a workable contract, place the franchise tag on him and trade him (if any new CBA has such tags). At that point, you can at least get something for him instead of just letting him walk.

He's a RFA after this season so if another team makes him an offer the Chiefs have a chance to match it. If the Chiefs don't you will get a 3rd round pick.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

He's a RFA after this season so if another team makes him an offer the Chiefs have a chance to match it. If the Chiefs don't you will get a 3rd round pick.

Bullshit.

Seriously, Dude, you know ANYTHING about the NFL?

The CBA expired last year. Players aren't eligible for Restricted Free Agency until they've had 5 YEARS service in the league and 6 YEARS for Unrestricted Free Agency.

Charles won't be an RFA until AFTER the 2013 season.

PLUS, the Chiefs could easily (and most likely WILL) put a first round tender on Charles.

DBOSHO · 10-30-2010, 02:01 PM

I would be extremely dissapointed if we let charles go.

Extremely.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

Seriously, Dude, you know ANYTHING about the NFL?

The CBA expired last year. Players aren't eligible for Restricted Free Agency until they've had 5 YEARS service in the league and 6 YEARS for Unrestricted Free Agency.

Charles won't be an RFA until AFTER the 2013 season.

PLUS, the Chiefs could easily (and most likely WILL) put a first round tender on Charles.

Uhh dude you are wrong. A player is available for RFA after three seasons seasons in the league.

**wazu** · 10-30-2010, 03:00 PM

Pioli, you damned well better have our team's payroll at least somewhere near the salary cap before you even think of letting Charles go. Our team needs to collect more talent, not say goodbye to what it already has.

**LoneWolf** · 10-30-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Uhh dude you are wrong. A player is available for RFA after three seasons seasons in the league.

http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2010/01...-cba-rules-be/

If you are going to be stupid about a subject, at least make it a subject that I can't prove your stupidity with a one minute google search.

Chiefs Rool · 10-30-2010, 03:06 PM

ya, he's good, he's damn good, but we need to learn our lesson on paying high priced RBs. It's not a position of longevity. Plus, running backs are a dime a dozen. I would rather us throw our money at Flowers

10-30-2010, 03:14 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen. "I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]." It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves." Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."
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10-30-2010, 11:25 AM	#46
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1897500	On the flipside, the Patriots have kept Kevin Faulk for a decade and a half now. So it's not like they haven't been loyal to guys. But when we go to the 18 game schedule, you're going to see more of this and the RB position is going to become even more watered down. Even for guys like Charles. Everybody's going to be playing 2 or 3 different backs to keep guys from having 450-500 carries a year, I would think.
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dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3048850	This is simple...if he doesn't sign for a workable contract, place the franchise tag on him and trade him (if any new CBA has such tags). At that point, you can at least get something for him instead of just letting him walk. __________________
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1697705 VARSITY	Pioli, you damned well better have our team's payroll at least somewhere near the salary cap before you even think of letting Charles go. Our team needs to collect more talent, not say goodbye to what it already has.
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Chiefs Rool Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Top City Casino cash: $10004900	ya, he's good, he's damn good, but we need to learn our lesson on paying high priced RBs. It's not a position of longevity. Plus, running backs are a dime a dozen. I would rather us throw our money at Flowers
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