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BWillie · 11-02-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Minny hasn't actually released him yet. That could happen tomorrow. If it does, we'll know by Wednesday evening if he was claimed. If he is, that team is on the hook for the rest of his 2010 salary. If not, anyone can sign him as a FA.

Randy Moss: Randy Moss to clear waivers?
Randy Moss - WR - MIN - Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicts that Randy Moss will clear waivers if the transaction becomes official Tuesday.
Should Moss go unclaimed by all 32 teams, he'd become an unrestricted free agent while also having his full $6.4 million salary guaranteed by the Vikings. Moss could then "double dip," tacking on whatever earnings he'd be able to muster on the open market. NFL Network's Joe Theismann and Boomer Esiason both also believe that Moss will clear waivers if he's cut Tuesday. Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

Just saying...there are a few people who think he WON'T be claimed, too.

I'm not one of them. Maybe I don't quite understand how the waiver wire works but if all of the teams don't want to take on his salary for a Top 10 WR that stretches the field that a defense has to account for, then there are some pretty dumb teams out there. Unless the entire NFL blackballs the deal so they can pick him up on the open market for a discount, I don't forsee how this would happen.

KCJohnny · 11-02-2010, 04:44 AM

I'm for bringing Moss in but I have no delusions that it will repair the calamity at QB. You could give Cassell Jerry Rice and Steve Largent in their primes and he would still put up similar numbers.

Case in point: Brady threw for 50 TDs with the 2007 Pats. With the same exact offense, Cassel threw for 21. He's being paid Peyton Manning type money by Pioli even though in his first year starting he couldn't even get to Tyler Thigpen-level achievement (Thiggy 22 TDs in 11 starts, Cassel 16 in 14). Thigpen was paid the league minimum.

Moss could stretch the field in theory, but what will that really do, if anything? Can Cassel read a defense? Can he call an audible? Can he make his progression reads? What other QB in the NFL throws for 107 yds in regulation time at home against an 0-6 team with the NFL's best rushing attack and best pass protection and is considered 'successful' let alone worth $64 million?

Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack.

**Rausch** · 11-02-2010, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack.

This...

JD10367 · 11-02-2010, 10:28 AM

Let's look at the facts.

1.) Moss is certifiably insane. But that can be managed.
2.) Moss has to play for a winner. So far so good, KC fits that bill.
3.) Moss needs a strong head coach. (See #1.) Haley... check.
4.) Moss needs to be a low risk signing. He is. If he acts up, cut him.
5.) Moss will stretch the field, whether he goes 10 for 135 or 2 for 28.

The problems he had in New England started when he felt disrespected because he didn't get his new contract. Now that he's had a taste of real life, he sees things a little differently. Look at it as a "he thought the grass was greener" situation, like a married guy who gets a little tired of the same ol' 'tang and wanders, and then realizes how good he actually had it. Moss simply started taking the Patriots for granted. He quickly realized there are a lot of suck-ass coaches running losing teams with crappy management (hello, Vikings). Thus, if he signs with a strong team which fits the requirements I mentioned, he would at the very least behave for the rest of this season.

Does he take a few plays off? Sure. But the point is, he STILL commands attention. The other team needs to know where he is. They'll roll coverage, double-team him, etc.,. He will bring the DBs downfield and give Cassel more room in the middle to operate with Moeaki and McCluster.

I'm not saying give the guy a new 3-year $30M deal. But, for the relative chump change of his remaining contract, Haley should certainly consider putting in a waiver claim. As has been said, chances are they don't get him anyway, but it's worth a try.

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-02-2010, 11:52 AM

I posted this in a different randy moss but this is why he couldn't come here:

Randy Moss misses New England, criticizes Childress
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 31, 2010 8:37 PM ET
Randy Moss gave Patriots fans one last bizarre press conference to remember him by.

After a deeply disappointing return to Foxborough where he caught only one pass for eight yards, Moss showed up unannounced at the podium wearing a Red Sox hat and went off for five rambling minutes. Some highlights:

1. He called Bill Belichick the greatest coach in the history of the NFL.

2. Fined $25,000 this week for not cooperating with the media, Moss said he will not answer any more questions the rest of the year. He said he will ask and answer his own questions exclusively. (Tonight's question was: "What's on your mind, Randy?")

3. Moss constantly repeated how much he misses the Patriots. "I just want to be able to tell the guys (in NE) I miss the hell out of them," Moss said.

4. While the Patriots have the greatest coach of all time, the Vikings have Brad Childress. Moss criticized Brad Childress for going for it on fourth-and-goal from the one-yard line at the end of the first half. The Patriots stuffed Adrian Peterson.

"I'm definitely down we lost this game. . . . Wish could have had 3 at end of the half. Maybe it could have been different. Maybe not," Moss said.

5. Moss said the ovation from Patriots fans at the end of the game brought a tear to his eye.

6. The weirdest part of the press conference was when Moss vaguely said that the Vikings didn't take advantage of the extra information he gave his new team.

"I tried to prepare," Moss said. "I tried to talk to the players and coaches about how this game was going to be played and a couple tendencies here, couple tendencies here. The bad part about it -- you have six days to prepare for a team, and on the seventh day, that Sunday, meaning today, I guess they come over to me and say, 'Dag, Moss, you was right about a couple plays and a couple schemes they were going to run.'

"It hurts as a player that you put a lot of hard work in all week, and toward the end of the week, Sunday, when you get on the field, that's when they acknowledge about the hard work you put in throughout the week. That's actually a disappointment."

The whole thing sounded like Moss applying for a job with New England next year. We think the Patriots are quite content without him.

UPDATE: A snippet of the fun:

"I don't know how many more times I'm going to be up here in New England," Moss concluded. "But I'm going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I'm out."

Chiefnj2 · 11-02-2010, 11:56 AM

Childress is an idiot and should have been fired years ago. Moss went from Belichick, one of the smartest coaches in the game, to one of the dumbest.

If Vikings ownership had half a brain they'd fire Childress today and let Leslie Frazier coach the team the remainder of the season.

JD10367 · 11-02-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

I posted this in a different randy moss but this is why he couldn't come here:

Moss criticized Brad Childress for going for it on fourth-and-goal from the one-yard line at the end of the first half. The Patriots stuffed Adrian Peterson.

"I'm definitely down we lost this game. . . . Wish could have had 3 at end of the half. Maybe it could have been different. Maybe not," Moss said.

Inaccurate analysis. You missed the whole point, which I highlighted in red. If the team wins, he doesn't make those comments. Was it a backhanded slap at Chilly's coaching ability? Yes. Was it warranted? Yes, 'cause Chilly sucks just as bad as Clueless Norv or Wade "Buffet Line" Phillips.

"Moss on a losing team with a stupid and weak coach who should be fired" is not comparable to "Moss on a winning team with a more-talented and stronger-minded coach".

JD10367 · 11-02-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Childress is an idiot and should have been fired years ago. Moss went from Belichick, one of the smartest coaches in the game, to one of the dumbest.

If Vikings ownership had half a brain they'd fire Childress today and let Leslie Frazier coach the team the remainder of the season.

This. And when they started backtracking on reports last night, that's what I thought had happened--that Vikings ownership overruled the decision and shitcanned Childress. Instead, they compounded the problem by rubber-stamping the stupid idea. Now, at the end of the year, they'll be without Moss, Favre will retire, and they'll fire Childress anyway.

Chiefnj2 · 11-02-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

Inaccurate analysis. You missed the whole point, which I highlighted in red. If the team wins, he doesn't make those comments. Was it a backhanded slap at Chilly's coaching ability? Yes. Was it warranted? Yes, 'cause Chilly sucks just as bad as Clueless Norv or Wade "Buffet Line" Phillips.

"Moss on a losing team with a stupid and weak coach who should be fired" is not comparable to "Moss on a winning team with a more-talented and stronger-minded coach".

If KC lost the Bills game by 3, I'm sure every fan and player would be saying the same thing as Moss.

Stinger · 11-02-2010, 12:40 PM

From Adam Schefter Tweet

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One more reason to claim WR Randy Moss: team that loses him this off-season in free agency could get back a compensatory draft pick.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

JTagg7754 · 11-02-2010, 12:42 PM

Please pick up Moss. It won't help you guys but I'm fine w/ it.

**Shogun** · 11-02-2010, 12:43 PM

What bothered him the most about losing to the Patriots is that he gave them all of this advice that chilly just ignored. Can you imagine?

Ralphy Boy · 11-02-2010, 12:55 PM

I'm tired of hearing that he "takes plays off", most receivers do this and with Randy, he has shown before that this can work in his favor. The DB thinks its a run play or whatever because Randy doesn't floor it off the line, then the DB thinks the play isn't going to Moss and they run coverage the other way and the QB hits him deep.

With a creative OC, that could/can present opportunities for single coverage, provided the pass protection is there. Granted that is something that would happen more so on a broken play when the QB scrambles but still. I really don't care if he dogs it when the play is a run or on the

Ralphy Boy · 11-02-2010, 12:55 PM

I'm tired of hearing that he "takes plays off", most receivers do this and with Randy, he has shown before that this can work in his favor. The DB thinks its a run play or whatever because Randy doesn't floor it off the line, then the DB thinks the play isn't going to Moss and they run coverage the other way and the QB hits him deep.

With a creative OC, that could/can present opportunities for single coverage, provided the pass protection is there. Granted that is something that would happen more so on a broken play when the QB scrambles but still. I really don't care if he dogs it when the play is a run or on the opposite side of the field.

JD10367 · 11-02-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

I'm tired of hearing that he "takes plays off", most receivers do this and with Randy, he has shown before that this can work in his favor. The DB thinks its a run play or whatever because Randy doesn't floor it off the line, then the DB thinks the play isn't going to Moss and they run coverage the other way and the QB hits him deep.

With a creative OC, that could/can present opportunities for single coverage, provided the pass protection is there. Granted that is something that would happen more so on a broken play when the QB scrambles but still. I really don't care if he dogs it when the play is a run or on the opposite side o

Not that I'm condoning Moss taking plays off, or--more accurately--jogging out a route once he knows it's not coming his way--but, when your job is to run as fast and as far as possible on every play, you probably get tired of doing it (literally, as in, physically it's too much to handle at age 33 as compared to when he was 23).

And, again, whether or not he takes a play off, while morally questionable, almost has no bearing on his play. He still commands attention, he still commands double teams, he still opens up space underneath. I hear a lot about his numbers being down, but what he contributes in this manner isn't measurable on a stat sheet (just as Deion Sanders' contributions as a shut-down corner weren't as measurable because they simply didn't throw at him as much).

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11-02-2010, 04:44 AM	#317
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I'm for bringing Moss in but I have no delusions that it will repair the calamity at QB. You could give Cassell Jerry Rice and Steve Largent in their primes and he would still put up similar numbers. Case in point: Brady threw for 50 TDs with the 2007 Pats. With the same exact offense, Cassel threw for 21. He's being paid Peyton Manning type money by Pioli even though in his first year starting he couldn't even get to Tyler Thigpen-level achievement (Thiggy 22 TDs in 11 starts, Cassel 16 in 14). Thigpen was paid the league minimum. Moss could stretch the field in theory, but what will that really do, if anything? Can Cassel read a defense? Can he call an audible? Can he make his progression reads? What other QB in the NFL throws for 107 yds in regulation time at home against an 0-6 team with the NFL's best rushing attack and best pass protection and is considered 'successful' let alone worth $64 million? Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack. __________________
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11-02-2010, 10:28 AM	#319
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	Let's look at the facts. 1.) Moss is certifiably insane. But that can be managed. 2.) Moss has to play for a winner. So far so good, KC fits that bill. 3.) Moss needs a strong head coach. (See #1.) Haley... check. 4.) Moss needs to be a low risk signing. He is. If he acts up, cut him. 5.) Moss will stretch the field, whether he goes 10 for 135 or 2 for 28. The problems he had in New England started when he felt disrespected because he didn't get his new contract. Now that he's had a taste of real life, he sees things a little differently. Look at it as a "he thought the grass was greener" situation, like a married guy who gets a little tired of the same ol' 'tang and wanders, and then realizes how good he actually had it. Moss simply started taking the Patriots for granted. He quickly realized there are a lot of suck-ass coaches running losing teams with crappy management (hello, Vikings). Thus, if he signs with a strong team which fits the requirements I mentioned, he would at the very least behave for the rest of this season. Does he take a few plays off? Sure. But the point is, he STILL commands attention. The other team needs to know where he is. They'll roll coverage, double-team him, etc.,. He will bring the DBs downfield and give Cassel more room in the middle to operate with Moeaki and McCluster. I'm not saying give the guy a new 3-year $30M deal. But, for the relative chump change of his remaining contract, Haley should certainly consider putting in a waiver claim. As has been said, chances are they don't get him anyway, but it's worth a try.
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11-02-2010, 11:52 AM	#320
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $625326	I posted this in a different randy moss but this is why he couldn't come here: Randy Moss misses New England, criticizes Childress Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 31, 2010 8:37 PM ET Randy Moss gave Patriots fans one last bizarre press conference to remember him by. After a deeply disappointing return to Foxborough where he caught only one pass for eight yards, Moss showed up unannounced at the podium wearing a Red Sox hat and went off for five rambling minutes. Some highlights: 1. He called Bill Belichick the greatest coach in the history of the NFL. 2. Fined $25,000 this week for not cooperating with the media, Moss said he will not answer any more questions the rest of the year. He said he will ask and answer his own questions exclusively. (Tonight's question was: "What's on your mind, Randy?") 3. Moss constantly repeated how much he misses the Patriots. "I just want to be able to tell the guys (in NE) I miss the hell out of them," Moss said. 4. While the Patriots have the greatest coach of all time, the Vikings have Brad Childress. Moss criticized Brad Childress for going for it on fourth-and-goal from the one-yard line at the end of the first half. The Patriots stuffed Adrian Peterson. "I'm definitely down we lost this game. . . . Wish could have had 3 at end of the half. Maybe it could have been different. Maybe not," Moss said. 5. Moss said the ovation from Patriots fans at the end of the game brought a tear to his eye. 6. The weirdest part of the press conference was when Moss vaguely said that the Vikings didn't take advantage of the extra information he gave his new team. "I tried to prepare," Moss said. "I tried to talk to the players and coaches about how this game was going to be played and a couple tendencies here, couple tendencies here. The bad part about it -- you have six days to prepare for a team, and on the seventh day, that Sunday, meaning today, I guess they come over to me and say, 'Dag, Moss, you was right about a couple plays and a couple schemes they were going to run.' "It hurts as a player that you put a lot of hard work in all week, and toward the end of the week, Sunday, when you get on the field, that's when they acknowledge about the hard work you put in throughout the week. That's actually a disappointment." The whole thing sounded like Moss applying for a job with New England next year. We think the Patriots are quite content without him. UPDATE: A snippet of the fun: "I don't know how many more times I'm going to be up here in New England," Moss concluded. "But I'm going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I'm out."
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11-02-2010, 12:55 PM	#328
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm tired of hearing that he "takes plays off", most receivers do this and with Randy, he has shown before that this can work in his favor. The DB thinks its a run play or whatever because Randy doesn't floor it off the line, then the DB thinks the play isn't going to Moss and they run coverage the other way and the QB hits him deep. With a creative OC, that could/can present opportunities for single coverage, provided the pass protection is there. Granted that is something that would happen more so on a broken play when the QB scrambles but still. I really don't care if he dogs it when the play is a run or on the
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Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm tired of hearing that he "takes plays off", most receivers do this and with Randy, he has shown before that this can work in his favor. The DB thinks its a run play or whatever because Randy doesn't floor it off the line, then the DB thinks the play isn't going to Moss and they run coverage the other way and the QB hits him deep. With a creative OC, that could/can present opportunities for single coverage, provided the pass protection is there. Granted that is something that would happen more so on a broken play when the QB scrambles but still. I really don't care if he dogs it when the play is a run or on the opposite side of the field. Last edited by Ralphy Boy; 11-02-2010 at 01:34 PM..
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