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Old 11-30-2010, 05:55 PM   #1
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no, it won't.

but it will tell us what we need to know about the team.

I find it funny how fans say..well, if he does this and this and this, then I'll give him praise, like their accepted level of praise actually validates him.
I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of my opinion of Cassel. The Chiefs will go as Cassel goes over these next 5 games. If he struggles the team will struggle. If he excels, the team will excel. Neither one means they will go 5-0 or 0-5. The pressure is on him and the team right now as the playoffs have already started for the Chiefs.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:59 PM   #2
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I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of my opinion of Cassel. The Chiefs will go as Cassel goes over these next 5 games. If he struggles the team will struggle. If he excels, the team will excel. Neither one means they will go 5-0 or 0-5. The pressure is on him and the team right now as the playoffs have already started for the Chiefs.
But the standard has to be clear. We have to get on Cassel's case for the right reasons.

Because an unfair standard is to expect him to continually carry a bad defense and special teams unit and expect him to consistently win games. I ripped on Cassel for his performance against Denver--thought he didn't make plays when he needed to. On the other hand, I think a LOT of people were very unfairly critical of Cassel's performance in Oakland even though the Chiefs got crushed in the running game, on defense, on special teams, and with stupid penalty mistakes. So I don't agree that it's fair to say that we go as Cassel goes. Cassel needs to be sharp in the remaining games, but if he's sharp and the defense gives up 30+ points, there's only so far you can take the blame.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:03 PM   #3
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But the standard has to be clear. We have to get on Cassel's case for the right reasons.

Because an unfair standard is to expect him to continually carry a bad defense and special teams unit and expect him to consistently win games. I ripped on Cassel for his performance against Denver--thought he didn't make plays when he needed to. On the other hand, I think a LOT of people were very unfairly critical of Cassel's performance in Oakland even though the Chiefs got crushed in the running game, on defense, on special teams, and with stupid penalty mistakes. So I don't agree that it's fair to say that we go as Cassel goes. Cassel needs to be sharp in the remaining games, but if he's sharp and the defense gives up 30+ points, there's only so far you can take the blame.
That depends on what your expectations are. If the Chiefs are going to be perennial contenders, he absolutely must develop into a guy who can carry the team. See Manning, Rivers, Brady.

Our running game wont always be great. We can't always depend on our D. And Special teams will make their mistakes.

But the best teams, the perennial teams have a Qb that can constantly overcome those mistakes and keep their teams in it.

Cassel has to become that guy.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:00 PM   #4
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I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of my opinion of Cassel. The Chiefs will go as Cassel goes over these next 5 games. If he struggles the team will struggle. If he excels, the team will excel.
sure you do.. you keep repeating it...and you expect him to overcome subpar play from the rest of the squad. in year two of a rebuild...

excel, despite like the defense played against Houston?

hey matt, the defense just gave up four consecutive TD's in the forth qtr....it's your fault if we lose.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:04 PM   #5
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sure you do.. you keep repeating it...and you expect him to overcome subpar play from the rest of the squad. in year two of a rebuild...

excel, despite like the defense played against Houston?

hey matt, the defense just gave up four consecutive TD's in the forth qtr....it's your fault if we lose.
OK, you win. I'm not supposed to defend my position. Got it.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:05 PM   #6
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OK, you win. I'm not supposed to defend my position. Got it.
assuming the worst is a position?
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assuming the worst is a position?
Being cautious is not assuming the worst. You haven't been reading my posts or you are just assigning your own meaning to them. I think your beef is more with OTW than with me.
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Being cautious is not assuming the worst. You haven't been reading my posts or you are just assigning your own meaning to them. I think your beef is more with OTW than with me.
no, I think you put forward no risk, and don't desrve the reward that comes with it..
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no, I think you put forward no risk, and don't desrve the reward that comes with it..

Oh, the bad fan tag. I must be in the wrong forum. I thought this was Chiefsplanet.
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no, I think you put forward no risk, and don't desrve the reward that comes with it..
What risk and reward? Aren't we just bullshitting on a message board? Is a Chiefs win really sweeter if you called it?
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OK, you win. I'm not supposed to defend my position. Got it.
No, you're just supposed to pass the blame to anyone but Cassel.

I mean, the guy that touches the ball on every offensive play has zero bearing on the game, right?

I don't give a flying **** if the defense gives up 60 points.

That means that Cassel's job is to lead the offense to 61.
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No, you're just supposed to pass the blame to anyone but Cassel.

I mean, the guy that touches the ball on every offensive play has zero bearing on the game, right?

I don't give a flying **** if the defense gives up 60 points.

That means that Cassel's job is to lead the offense to 61.
Lets not forget that Cassel had the opportunity to win that game in the end.
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Lets not forget that Cassel had the opportunity to win that game in the end.
I haven't forgot.

The goal of the 4:00 offense is to maintain possession, grind down the clock, and end the game in the victory formation.

That didn't happen, the defense went back on the field, and they failed at their job as well.
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I don't give a flying **** if the defense gives up 60 points.

That means that Cassel's job is to lead the offense to 61.

FAIL

I hope there aren't any logic questions on your final exam....
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FAIL

I hope there aren't any logic questions on your final exam....
Uh, not fail.

I've never seen anyone make excuses for Peyton Manning when his defense was one of the worst in the league for the better part of the decade.

Dude just went out and did his job.

Christ, there was a game not that long ago where the Colts had the ball for 15 minutes in the ENTIRE GAME, and won.

THAT'S what a franchise QB can do for you.

**** excuses, he got the job done.
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