Chiefs Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-01-2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

In the offseason weren't you one of the people bitching about our lack of talent and how we so badly needed to add talent? Weren't you one of the people who said Chiefs were a bottom team in terms of talent? Now you're acting like Pioli had an abundance of talent to begin with...
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Actually, both of those assertions are untrue. This was a great team to take the position for because of the young talent that was here when Herm left. That's something I've said for a long time, and most of that comes from the 2008 draft. That said, Herm hit on all of his 1st rounders, which makes a huge difference as well.

What we didn't have was any depth, and for all intents and purposes, we still don't.

What I find disingenuous is praising the personnel skills of someone that turned a franchise around when almost all of the best players on this team are holdovers.

Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Actually, both of those assertions are untrue. This was a great team to take the position for because of the young talent that was here when Herm left. That's something I've said for a long time, and most of that comes from the 2008 draft. That said, Herm hit on all of his 1st rounders, which makes a huge difference as well.

What we didn't have was any depth, and for all intents and purposes, we still don't.

What I find disingenuous is praising the personnel skills of someone that turned a franchise around when almost all of the best players on this team are holdovers.

Brilliant post.

Pioli has drafted 0 game changers to this point. Berry is a "maybe." Everyone else has a huge mountain to climb.

NO ONE Pioli has drafted even begins to compare with:

Tamba Hali
Glenn Dorsey
Jamaal Charles
Branden Albert
Dwayne Bowe

And I don't want to hear "well Pioli has only been here for 27 games." Hali, Albert and Bowe were wrecking shit as rookies. Charles was flashing big time as a rookie and turned it on his 2nd year.

Unless Dexter McCluster and Tony Moeaki turn into Percy Harvin and Dallas Clark in the last 5 games, where are Pioli's game-changing impact players? Berry, perhaps, but he was a no brainer.

Oh well, at least Jake O'Connell's arrow is pointing up.

Chiefaholic · 12-01-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Brilliant post.

Pioli has drafted 0 game changers to this point. Berry is a "maybe." Everyone else has a huge mountain to climb.

NO ONE Pioli has drafted even begins to compare with:

Tamba Hali
Glenn Dorsey
Jamaal Charles
Branden Albert
Dwayne Bowe

And I don't want to hear "well Pioli has only been here for 27 games." Hali, Albert and Bowe were wrecking shit as rookies. Charles was flashing big time as a rookie and turned it on his 2nd year.

Unless Dexter McCluster and Tony Moeaki turn into Percy Harvin and Dallas Clark in the last 5 games, where are Pioli's game-changing impact players? Berry, perhaps, but he was a no brainer.

Oh well, at least Jake O'Connell's arrow is pointing up.

My God... You're ate up with the dumbass today. Last years draft was one of the Chiefs best in a LONG time. Yet, Pioli hasn't drafted any "game-changers"

TheGuardian · 12-01-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

My God... You're ate up with the dumbass today. Last years draft was one of the Chiefs best in a LONG time. Yet, Pioli hasn't drafted any "game-changers"

Dude I know. It's hard to even describe how ****ing stupid GC has been for weeks now. It's like he had a football lobotomy.

**BossChief** · 12-01-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Actually, both of those assertions are untrue. This was a great team to take the position for because of the young talent that was here when Herm left. That's something I've said for a long time, and most of that comes from the 2008 draft. That said, Herm hit on all of his 1st rounders, which makes a huge difference as well.

What we didn't have was any depth, and for all intents and purposes, we still don't.

What I find disingenuous is praising the personnel skills of someone that turned a franchise around when almost all of the best players on this team are holdovers.

there is some truh to this, but there is also tons of credit due to Pioli for the job he has done across the board since taking over. This is a list of players he either brought in, or brought in the staff that transformed a previous underachiever into a high quality player...both should be credited to the guy that made those things happen:

Haley
Belcher
DJ
Hali
Shaun Smith
Arenas
Berry
Lewis
Moeaki
Crennel
Weis
Pleasant
Lilja
Weigman
Jones
Asamoah
Dorsey
DMC
Bowe (he is borderline as he was alreay a productive when Pioli took over, but he is now a dominant player threatening a NFL record for his position)
Succop

Those guys have played a pretty big role in all of this as well.

stevieray · 12-01-2010, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What I find disingenuous is praising the personnel skills of someone that turned a franchise around when almost all of the best players on this team are holdovers.

sans flowers, all those players game has elevated under his staff.

Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 01:16 AM

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sans flowers, all those players game has elevated under his staff.

That's all well and good, but it's not going to sustain the franchise over the long haul.

Pioli's first draft was a D. His second draft looks like a C+. We need a B+ or better next year.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

That's all well and good, but it's not going to sustain the franchise over the long haul.

Pioli's first draft was a D. His second draft looks like a C+. We need a B+ or better next year.

Berry should improve
Moeaki is a productive receiving tight end and a hell of a blocker for our run game
Kendrick Lewis was a terrific pick for the value
Jon Asamoah will likely be a productive starter
Javier Arenas is playing very well in his nickel role and he's getting a shitload more snaps than he gets credit for
Dexter McCluster--say what you want, but he's not a bust. His upside is yet to be seen, but he at least has some impact

There's no way you can call this a C+ draft. 4 of the players are having a considerable impact their rookie season (5 if you want to include McCluster). And the 6th will likely be a starter for many years to come.

Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's no way you can call this a C+ draft.

Yes you can.

You can't draft complementary players in the second round.

Maybe it's a B if Asamoah turns into a starter.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Yes you can.

You can't draft complementary players in the second round.

Maybe it's a B if Asamoah turns into a starter.

How the hell are they complementary players? A nickel corner is damn near a full time starter in the NFL now and so is a slot WR. Everytime Dex stepped out on the field, defenses were forced to go into nickel or dime because of his abilities. That helps the offense immensely. I'd say he's worth a 2nd round pick.
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Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 01:51 AM

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How the hell are they complementary players?

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.

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I wouldn't call them great picks, but you certainly can't call them bad ones.

They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Yes you can.

You can't draft complementary players in the second round.

Maybe it's a B if Asamoah turns into a starter.

Really? Because about 75% of teams can't draft a starter, let alone a complementary player. Calling Arenas a complementary player at this juncture is ridiculous. He plays well over half of the defensive snaps. McCluster--we have yet to see, but if he serves in the slot, same deal. If they both play as expected, I wouldn't call them great picks, but you certainly can't call them bad ones.

**BossChief** · 12-01-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

That's all well and good, but it's not going to sustain the franchise over the long haul.

Pioli's first draft was a D. His second draft looks like a C+. We need a B+ or better next year.

Dude, this 2010 draft will go down as a B+ AT WORST...to call any draft that yields 5 potential starters (figuring a nickle corner as a starter in todays NFL game) and a guy that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball a C+ is a joke.

Thats not even counting the contribution Sheffield could have made...go back and watch him ABUSE some guys that are playing very well in the NFL right now during the senior bowl...its a shame we lost him to injury cause we could surely use him right now.

A C+ draft yields 2-3 contributors and only one being a good starter.

This draft was graded as a A+ by many guys in the business.

Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 01:43 AM

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a guy that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball a C+ is a joke.

The idea that McCluster is a threat to score every time he touches the ball is the real joke.

Every Chiefs fan is overrating this guy just because he has some quicks and took back one punt against the worst special teams unit ever.

I bet he doesn't score again this year.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

The idea that McCluster is a threat to score every time he touches the ball is the real joke.

Every Chiefs fan is overrating this guy just because he has some quicks and took back one punt against the worst special teams unit ever.

I bet he doesn't score again this year.

So he isn't a threat to score when be touches the ball? Is Jamaal a threat to score then?
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