Chiefs Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature - Page 5

**Reaper16** · 11-30-2010, 09:59 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...10/1/index.htm

Story broken up amongst 8 pages, so I'm not going to copy/paste the full text here.

Figured this would be of interest to us all here.

Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

So he isn't a threat to score when be touches the ball? Is Jamaal a threat to score then?
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Why are you even making this comparison?

McCluster has proven shit. I think he has one play longer than 20 yards this year.

So far he is a huge gimmick on offense and very disappointing, especially since he hasn't played a game in a month.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2010, 01:54 AM

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Generally it's easy to bounce back when you play two of the worst teams in the NFL back-to-back.

That's interesting, given how many people were saying the team was set for a free-fall. And given that in 2 of the 3 weeks prior, they made 1-2 win teams look like playoff teams.

The reason the Chiefs played much better football against Arizona was that Haley put the pads on the players 3 times that week and forced them to practice like animals. Not a single complaint out of the players. There is no doubt the Chiefs team that showed up against the Cards/Seahawks was one hell of a lot better than the piece of shit that showed up in Denver.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2010, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Or maybe, given that he was never an impact player in college, he just isn't that good.

The guy had marginal talent and I've seen nothing that suggests he has the work ethic to get better. With a good work ethic, I believe he could be at least a decent though not great starter. In this case they whiffed on both the talent and the fit. I thought they did on a lot of the 2009 picks, in fact.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-01-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's interesting, given how many people were saying the team was set for a free-fall. And given that in 2 of the 3 weeks prior, they made 1-2 win teams look like playoff teams.

The reason the Chiefs played much better football against Arizona was that Haley put the pads on the players 3 times that week and forced them to practice like animals. Not a single complaint out of the players. There is no doubt the Chiefs team that showed up against the Cards/Seahawks was one hell of a lot better than the piece of shit that showed up in Denver.

Do you realize that the Cards and Seahawks ****ing suck? People who thought this team was in for a freefall or a 6-10 finish are dumb as ****. The schedule is just too damned easy, and the HFA is too good.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Why are you even making this comparison?

McCluster has proven shit. I think he has one play longer than 20 yards this year.

So far he is a huge gimmick on offense and very disappointing, especially since he hasn't played a game in a month.

So you think it's ridiculous that people say DMC is a threat to score everytime he touches the ball, but yet, JC is different? They are both threats to get a TD everytime they touch the ball.

You're right though, DMC hasn't proven a lot, but when he has had the ball in his hands he has been great. If he can build off of that, then he'll have been a great pick for us.
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-01-2010, 02:02 AM

The myth of McCluster is becoming almost intolerable. Maybe he becomes the greatest slot receiver of all time, but the reason why teams are in Nickel and Dime when he's on the field is because he's almost always lined up as a WR, and usually when you have 3 WR on the field, you don't see a team's base defense.

That claim, along with the spurious assertion that he was commanding double teams, makes me wonder how many actually watch the game.

And since he's so important to the offense, as someone else argued was the reason behind its "collapse" a few weeks ago, has he picked up the reigns as OC now? Does that explain the offensive output?

-King- · 12-01-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.

They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

Ok who do you think we should have picked? Who are the impact players?
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chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.

They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

I don't understand your obsession with superstars. You're not asking for impact players. You're asking for playmaking superstars. Given the free agent class in 2010 and the fact that beyond the first round, it's significantly more difficult to find those, you can't walk into that kind of an offseason and expect to bring in 3 to 4 superstars.

No impact players? I'd say that Wiegmann, Lilja, and Moeaki have improved the run blocking of this team 10-fold. And Asamoah should too. And I'd say that Jones has kept our best playmaker, Charles, fresh and ready to go for the stretch run. I'd say that Arenas, Lewis, and Berry have added severely needed depth. And I'd say that Moeaki and I predict eventually McCluster have added some weapons to our passing game.

We're still missing spots. We knew they would. But as a result of personnel decisions, we are a significantly better running team, we are vastly improved in the secondary, and we have more than one legit receiving option. We piece together a similar draft in 2011 and bring in a few marquee free agents, and this team becomes very dangerous.

**BossChief** · 12-01-2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Don't confuse "complementary" with "not a starter."

When you spend a second round pick on someone it'd be nice if they were a true IMPACT player.

McCluster isn't, and neither is Arenas.

They aren't bad picks.

They just aren't impact players. Pioli damn sure needs to find some.

three things:

1) Calling McCluster a non impact player is foolish to new levels. Seriously, you may want to stop that unless you are trying to try out some kind of reverse mojo type thing.

Ill be willing to make a pretty significant bet that DMC scores again by years end...name your price and terms and lets roll.

2) The way our nickle corners were totally abused last year and allowed seemingly nobodies to have career games should tell you how much of an impact Arenas has had on this defense so far. I would almost argue that he has had an equal impact to that of Berry, if not equal, its damn close. Dudes coverage has been nothing short of terrific...especially for a rooki9e that also returns.

3) Is Bowe actually spitting through his teeth in that gif in your sig? We used to call it "gleeking" in school. It looks like he lets one fly as he starts to break a smile.

I am hitting the sack so if you want to make a little friendly wager on DMC, hit my PM or just rep a post in this thread (pos or neg, it doesn't matter) so I can refere3nce it when I get home tomorrow.

later

Hammock Parties · 12-01-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

So you think it's ridiculous that people say DMC is a threat to score everytime he touches the ball, but yet, JC is different?

Yes.

McCluster has about 200 yards in six career games.

Charles has two ****ing 1,000 yard seasons.

It's ridiculous to compare the two.

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You're right though, DMC hasn't proven a lot, but when he has had the ball in his hands he has been great.

He has been a gimmick. Percy Harvin is great.

The fantasy of Dexter McCluster far outweighs the reality, which is that he's a pipsqueak who has two incredible plays this year (one on offense) and the rest of the time he's flailing his limbs and dreadlocks and $20 t-shirts every which way he can while picking up five or six yards.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The myth of McCluster is becoming almost intolerable. Maybe he becomes the greatest slot receiver of all time, but the reason why teams are in Nickel and Dime when he's on the field is because he's almost always lined up as a WR, and usually when you have 3 WR on the field, you don't see a team's base defense.

That claim, along with the spurious assertion that he was commanding double teams, makes me wonder how many actually watch the game.

And since he's so important to the offense, as someone else argued was the reason behind its "collapse" a few weeks ago, has he picked up the reigns as OC now? Does that explain the offensive output?

So DMC is not important to the offense just because they're producing now? Is Vincent Jackson not important just because the Chargers have produced without him? Is Antonio gates not important because the chargers have done well in the weeks he was injured?
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chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2010, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do you realize that the Cards and Seahawks ****ing suck? People who thought this team was in for a freefall or a 6-10 finish are dumb as ****. The schedule is just too damned easy, and the HFA is too good.

I do realize it. What I also realize is the way you are minimalizing a win and trying to act like the players didn't play significantly better in those games. They beat an easy team, but they beat them convincingly, they beat them by making a hell of a lot mistakes, and they did it despite losing some key players in the process. The bounceback wasn't just about the win.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Yes.

McCluster has about 200 yards in six career games.

Charles has two ****ing 1,000 yard seasons.

how many yards did Charles have his first 6 games?
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BryanBusby · 12-01-2010, 02:15 AM

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**ShortRoundChief** · 12-01-2010, 02:16 AM

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how many yards did Charles have his first 6 games?
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McClusters problem is not being healthy.
Charles problem was having greasy hands.

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