Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature

[Reaper16]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...10/1/index.htm

Story broken up amongst 8 pages, so I'm not going to copy/paste the full text here.

Figured this would be of interest to us all here.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I agree with all of this.

It's obvious that the Tim Krumries and Clancy Pendergasts of the world weren't the answer. There's no question that Herm's jabronies reeruned the development of a number of our players. Bringing in better coaches is part of a GM's job, and to this point, it seems like Pioli has done an exception job in that regard, even if some of the choices were derivative. However, from the standpoint of player personnel, there still seems to be something sorely lacking.

Another simple point is there isn't another decent 2nd year regime (probably ever) that doesn't have most of it's better player from the previous regime.

1st and 2nd year players are rarely the best on the team and never make up the "core". Maybe 1 or 2, if 1 is a QB or RB. It's common sense.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Another simple point is there isn't another decent 2nd year regime (probably ever) that doesn't have most of it's better player from the previous regime.

1st and 2nd year players are rarely the best on the team and never make up the "core". Maybe 1 or 2, if 1 is a QB or RB. It's common sense.

Then perhaps they don't deserve all the credit, either.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Then perhaps they don't deserve all the credit, either.

All depends on what you do with the talent.

See Dallas, and the Vikes this year.

Also as stated, many players are having break out years this year under this staff. That can't be ignored.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I agree with all of this.

It's obvious that the Tim Krumries and Clancy Pendergasts of the world weren't the answer. There's no question that Herm's jabronies reeruned the development of a number of our players. Bringing in better coaches is part of a GM's job, and to this point, it seems like Pioli has done an exception job in that regard, even if some of the choices were derivative. However, from the standpoint of player personnel, there still seems to be something sorely lacking.

Well, we all know 2009 was a disaster and a half.

But in 2010, given that we didn't spend a whole lot of money and that the free agent market was pretty dry, we made out really well. If Pioli's history in New England is any indication, we'll probably spend a bit of money to bring in some good free agents this offseason. You also have to factor in that if, as you mentioned in a previous post, that a goal is depth, that this is a process that takes quite a bit of time. The Chiefs definitely got deeper this offseason. They just need to plug in a few key starters. With a successful draft and maybe 2 or so big free agent moves, I don't see why we couldn't have a good starting lineup with quality depth.

This offseason, we brought in a starting TE, one solid starting safety and one potentially solid starting safety, one nickel back, a starting Guard and a future starting Guard, a slot receiver, a solid rotational or starting DE, and two stopgap players at Center and Running Back. If the Chiefs replicate 2010, they'll have at least 8 more solid contributors. That's definitely progress.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

All depends on what you do with the talent.

See Dallas, and the Vikes this year.

Also as stated, many players are having break out years this year under this staff. That can't be ignored.

It's not being ignored. There's a thing called nuance that some times helps explain situations such as this.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Another simple point is there isn't another decent 2nd year regime (probably ever) that doesn't have most of it's better player from the previous regime.

You've said this before and you're still incorrect.

The Atlanta Falcons of 2007 were devoid of talent at most positions. New GM Tom Dimitroff drafted extremely well and brought in free agents and the team went 11-5. Three seasons later, they're considered an elite team.

The Detroit Lions under Millen were atrocious and devoid of talent. While their record hasn't shown improvement due to injuries, Schwartz and Mayhew have done a complete makeover of their roster and it's MUCH more talented than when they took over.

The same could be said about the Bucs. Dominick and Morris took over an old team and gutted it. This year, they're starting SEVEN rookies and while they're not elite, they are 7-4.

Your "point", once again, is hogwash.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

But the Bucs have JAAAASH Freeman!!

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You've said this before and you're still incorrect.

The Atlanta Falcons of 2007 were devoid of talent at most positions. New GM Tom Dimitroff drafted extremely well and brought in free agents and the team went 11-5. Three seasons later, they're considered an elite team.

The Falcons only had 3 new starters when Dimitroff took over.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But the Bucs have JAAAASH Freeman!!

Fair is fair. Given the amount of shit the Chiefs have gotten for beating nobodies, the teams the Bucs have beaten are even worse.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

The Falcons only had 3 new starters when Dimitroff took over.

Who happen to be their best defensive player, franchise QB, and left tackle.
He also brought in one of the best RBs in the league.

They also hit on Kroy Bierman and Thomas Decoud.

That was an amazing draft.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Fair is fair. Given the amount of shit the Chiefs have gotten for beating nobodies, the teams the Bucs have beaten are even worse.

Absolutely.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But the Bucs have JAAAASH Freeman!!

The funny thing about Freeman to me is that the dude was a legitimate first round QB and he's slowly but surely reaching Franchise QB status. But, the K-State fans and alums barely, if ever, backed the guy.

Yet, we've had numerous threads and posts over the years about how Reesing and Daniels should be first rounders.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The funny thing about Freeman to me is that the dude was a legitimate first round QB and he's slowly but surely reaching Franchise QB status. But, the K-State fans and alums barely, if ever, backed the guy.

Yet, we've had numerous threads and posts over the year about how Reesing and Daniels should be first rounders.

Dude, I watched Josh Freeman play and I hated him as a prospect. He was a dipshit, a classic example of a guy who had it all in shorts and nothing in pads. He wasn't even that good in high school. Whatever the Bucs have done to develop him, however, is fantastic.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dude, I watched Josh Freeman play and I hated him as a prospect. He was a dipshit, a classic example of a guy who had it all in shorts and nothing in pads. He wasn't even that good in high school. Whatever the Bucs have done to develop him, however, is fantastic.

I think that Coach Prince was a turd. Fortunately, Raheem Morris spent a year on the K-State staff and saw the guy's true nature.

What I'm about to state is pure speculation but I think it's safe to say that if Freeman had played under Snyder, the guy would have been an absolute beast and would have competed with Stafford as the number one overall pic.

As you know, college players are often a reflection of their coach and I think Freeman's doppleganger was Ron Prince (without the ridiculous contract).

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You've said this before and you're still incorrect.

The Atlanta Falcons of 2007 were devoid of talent at most positions. New GM Tom Dimitroff drafted extremely well and brought in free agents and the team went 11-5. Three seasons later, they're considered an elite team.

The Detroit Lions under Millen were atrocious and devoid of talent. While their record hasn't shown improvement due to injuries, Schwartz and Mayhew have done a complete makeover of their roster and it's MUCH more talented than when they took over.

The same could be said about the Bucs. Dominick and Morris took over an old team and gutted it. This year, they're starting SEVEN rookies and while they're not elite, they are 7-4.

Your "point", once again, is hogwash.

I call BS.

TB is not an exception they are in year 2 just like KC with the same record. They may have a few more newer players but it's not a huge difference.

Atlanta did draft a QB that is a core player which fits my quote but Atlanta had 1 good season then a bad one in year 2 going 8-8 .
Turner was a FA in 2008 who didn't perform in 2009.

Lets look at your great examples of proving me wrong:
2008 Falcons

Offense-
Turner - FA
Norwood - leftover
Roddy -leftover
Jenkins- leftover

Eric Coleman Left over
Lawyer Milloy- you know
Kieth Brooking - you know
John Abraham - You know
Micheal Boley - you know
Dominique Foxworth- See a pattern

All their top tacklers, sack leaders etc...The o-line and d-line is mostly leftovers.

2010 Buccaneers

http://www.nfl.com/teams/tampabaybuc...hchart?team=TB

Take a look here and tell me how many of their team are 2 year or less players.

You are wrong.