NFL Draft Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!!

beach tribe · 12-02-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

People who drag up old threads for no reason like this should be banned from posting for the length of time between the last post in that thread and the person's post who dug it up.

BS. People who constantly bash others, and call them idiots for their opinions should be held accountable for their brilliance.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-02-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

BS. People who constantly bash others, and call them idiots for their opinions should be held accountable for their brilliance.

And what about those of us who are correct?

Actually, I thought Hali would have been a better player throughout his five year career than he's been. Does that mean I get a cookie?

beach tribe · 12-02-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And what about those of us who are correct?

Actually, I thought Hali would have been a better player throughout his five year career than he's been. Does that mean I get a cookie?

I have zero problem with anyone's opinion, but if people are getting ridiculed for theirs, then we should have accessible records like this to hold them accountable.
For the record, I was dead wrong about Hali. After seeing him, get owned repeatedly in the season that we set low bar for sacks in a season, I said that Hali would never be a legit threat, and that his only place he would be effective is coming off the left end. Everybody gets some right, and some wrong. No one is ever right or wrong all the time, and nobody knows what a players future will look like. GMs, and want to be GMs alike can only speculate off of the body of work that they have to go on, that's why it pisses me off so much to see the know it alls raking people across the coals for their opinions. It just makes them look stupid in the long run. It's not their opinions of the players, right or wrong that makes them look that way, it's the fact that they are too stupid to know that a fifth round pick may end up looking like a 1st, and a first may be out of the league in a few years. Even the best drafting teams have picks that you look back on, and say WTF were they thinking?

I mean, who would have ever thought that Matt Cassel would be making Mark Sanchez look like a chump right now?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-02-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I have zero problem with anyone's opinion, but if people are getting ridiculed for theirs, then we should have accessible records like this to hold them accountable.

Clearly, you DO have issue with people's opinions, as evidenced by your hate for Mecca and the constant "Gholston" in retort to Hamas.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

For the record, I was dead wrong about Hali. After seeing him, get owned repeatedly in the season that we set low bar for sacks in a season, I said that Hali would never be a legit threat, and that his only place he would be effective is coming off the left end. Everybody gets some right, and some wrong.

No, you weren't. Hali was effective his first season playing opposite Allen. His second and third seasons were a disappointment. The move to outside linebacker has given his career new life but there is no evidence that indicates his career would have ascended had he stayed at DE in a 4-3 defense.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

No one is ever right or wrong all the time, and nobody knows what a players future will look like. GMs, and want to be GMs alike can only speculate off of the body of work that they have to go on, that's why it pisses me off so much to see the know it alls raking people across the coals for their opinions.

This goes both ways. If someone is correct in their assement that a player will be infective, I rarely see any praise for that evaluation.

Conversely, if a player is better or meets expectations, those who questioned the player is the one "raked" over the coals.

It's a double standard.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

It just makes them look stupid in the long run.

No, it doesn't. It makes them wrong. There are several reasons why players fail to translate to the NFL and there are several reasons why players with lower grades outplay their draft status.

On draft day 2006, I stated that Jarrad Page would be a impact safety for the Chiefs, yet if you search the threads, there are tons of people that say he's camp fodder and won't make the team. Are all of those people "stupid"? No. For the most part, I'd bet none of them had seen him play and don't understand 7th round value.

And once again, when someone is "right" in their assessment of a player, I rarely, if ever, see that member praised.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

It's not their opinions of the players, right or wrong that makes them look that way, it's the fact that they are too stupid to know that a fifth round pick may end up looking like a 1st, and a first may be out of the league in a few years. Even the best drafting teams have picks that you look back on, and say WTF were they thinking?

This is untrue. It's very rare that teams over-evaluate players. Sure, every once in a while a true bust comes along. But most team's evaluations are similar. Every once in a while, there's a "WTF" moment, like with Tyson Jackson or Tyson Alualu this past draft.

But it appears that Jacksonville was correct in their evaluation and the Chiefs were incorrect. It happens.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I mean, who would have ever thought that Matt Cassel would be making Mark Sanchez look like a chump right now?

Mark Sanchez has 16 TD, 8 INT's and more passing yardage than Cassel. I think it's safe to say that the Jets have faced better teams this season than the Chiefs although it's speculation as to how either would have done if they were to switch teams.

But Mark Sanchez has hardly been the definition of a "chump" to date this season.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-02-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clearly, you DO have issue with people's opinions, as evidenced by your hate for Mecca

I bring up old shit that Mecca posts when he's wrong. Mostly because when he's wrong, he never owns it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-02-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

I bring up old shit that Mecca posts when he's wrong. Mostly because when he's wrong, he never owns it.

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-02-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

Most of us throw a lot of shit around here. And we are wrong a lot. You've been wrong about some things. So has Hamas, Milkman, OTWP, etc.

The difference is, myself, you and others are here almost everyday and admit when we are wrong. Mecca avoids it like the plague. Thats why he gets so much shit.

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

Uhm

If you can't understand why people despise Mecca on this board then you just aren't very smart...

He has an opinion, doesn't accept anyone else's opinion, and then tells them why they are wrong...and then when he is wrong he just disappears...

or when the Chiefs are winning he refuses to post...

Seriously...the only time he comes on this season is when the Chiefs lose...

It is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

patteeu · 12-02-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

He brings it on himself. Most people here can be wrong without stimulating anyone enough to dig it up and throw it in their face. It's people who are in people's face with their opinions that turn out to be wrong who get hoisted for the most part, as it should be.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-02-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

No, it is much, much better to threaten and beat your chest and call someone else stupid....... when it is still opinion and NOT proven.

Your position on this is laughable, not that I am surprised.