News Boy's Wrestling move= Sexual Assualt Charge - Page 10

Jawshco · 08:34 PM

I'm not sure what to think about this, but I'm just tired of sue happy parents trying to wussify our kids. Although, I admit this is kind of messed up.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/12/07/...-wrestler.html

DA offers wrestler deal in sexual battery case

Posted at 11:32 PM on Tuesday, Dec. 07, 2010
By Pablo Lopez / The Fresno Bee Share133

Was Clovis wrestler's legal move an illegal act?

In a crowded gym during practice in front of parents and coaches, the Buchanan High School wrestler tackled a teammate and executed a move his coaches taught him.
He inserted his fingers between the boy's buttocks.
It's called the "butt drag," in which a wrestler grabs a rival's butt cheek and puts fingers in the anus to get leverage. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades.

Prosecutors have offered a deal to a California teen wrestler charged with sexual battery for ramming his fingers into the rectum of his high school opponent during a practice match.
The 17-year-old Clovis youth, who has been expelled by the school, faces trial in Fresno on Thursday.
Clovis police say the July penetration incident led to the charge, but defense lawyer Stephen Quade says the teenager used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag."

I suppose it's too late for apologies and rational discussion in the case of the wrestling move that Clovis police and the Fresno County District Attorney's Office say was sexual battery.
We're not much for letting principals, parents, coaches and young people work things out for the benefit of all parties these days. Instead, we're quick to call the cops or the lawyers or the media and move school disputes into the public arena -- where opinions form hard and fast and students may lose their privacy.
If you missed the story, here's the summary. A former Buchanan High School wrestler is headed to a juvenile court trial Thursday on allegations that he committed a misdemeanor on a younger teammate by performing a "butt drag" during a practice session last summer.

The pending trial of a former Buchanan High wrestler charged with a sex crime has many in the community alarmed about the sport's already fragile future.
"This isn't good," Sunnyside High coach David Wheeler said Monday. "California has lost college wrestling programs at Fresno State and UC Davis. We don't need any bad attention to the sport if we want to keep it going."
Preston Hill, the former Buchanan senior who has since been expelled, faces a sexual battery charge after police say he rammed two fingers into a teammate's anus during a wrestling practice last summer. The trial begins Thursday in Fresno County Superior Court.

The Fresno County District Attorney's Office is having second thoughts about prosecuting a Buchanan High School wrestler for sexual battery.

Preston Hill, 17, is due to go on trial Thursday. Clovis police and the alleged victim said Preston rammed two fingers into the teammate's anus during wrestling practice in July. Preston's attorney says he used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag."

Amid a public uproar over the case that began after The Bee reported it on Sunday, prosecutors met with Preston's attorney on Tuesday to offer a deal: The case would be dismissed if Preston -- who has been expelled from Buchanan -- stayed out of trouble for several months.

Unlike most such deals, it would not require Preston to admit guilt.

But Stephen Quade, who represents Preston, said his client will likely reject the offer because he didn't do anything wrong.

JOHN WALKER / THE FRESNO BEE
The Fresno County District Attorney's Office has offered to dismiss a sexual battery charge against Preston Hill, 17 (pictured with his mother, Kirsten Hill). The Buchanan High School student was charged in connection with a wrestling move called a "butt drag" during a team practice.
Fresno court case alarms wrestling community Wrestling dispute begs for sense Quade said he is prepared to go to trial.

Complicating the case is an apparent disagreement within the District Attorney's Office about how to proceed.

A person with detailed knowledge of the case, speaking on condition of anonymity, said prosecutor Elana Smith is resisting instructions from her boss, District Attorney Elizabeth Egan, to drop the case.

Egan declined to comment Tuesday. Smith could not be reached.

But the source said Smith, a 12-year-veteran of the District Attorney's Office, is willing to stake her reputation -- and her job -- on the case. "She believes a crime has been committed, and she won't back down," the source said.

If the case goes to trial, a key issue is whether the conduct meets the legal definition of sexual battery. That could hinge on the question of whether Preston had threatened the boy.

The boy told police that Preston made a threatening gesture -- he inserted two fingers into a circle formed by his other hand -- indicating "he was going to place his fingers up his butt," the police report stated.

Preston has denied making the gesture, and Quade has said no one else saw him doing it. But the source said Smith recently found a witness -- another student -- who can corroborate the 14-year-old's account about the gesture.

Quade said the offer to conditionally dismiss the case came from Assistant District Attorney Lisa Gamoian and Rudy Carrillo, a chief deputy district attorney. Gamoian and Carrillo are Smith's supervisors. Smith was not present at the meeting, he said.

Quade said the offer was better than the one made several months ago, but declined to give details. Preston rejected the earlier offer, Quade said.

The case against Preston has drawn widespread attention because Preston and his parents contend their son, a senior, was using a legitimate wrestling move on the boy, a freshman at Buchanan High.

They said Clovis wrestling coaches taught Preston the move, known as a "butt drag," and that he used the move during practice in front of coaches, teammates and parents.

In general, the butt drag requires a wrestler to grab a rival's butt cheek to get leverage. Local coaches say anal penetration can occur accidentally, but should never be done on purpose. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades, authorities say.

Ross Rice, father of the alleged victim, said Preston is a bully who targeted his son because the boy stood up to Preston during an earlier encounter.

Because of the incident, Rice said, Preston's friends continue to tease his son at school. The boy also didn't go out for the wrestling team, his father said.

Rice said Tuesday that Smith contacted him and told him that the trial might be delayed, but she didn't say anything about dropping the case.

"She's a fighter," Rice said. "She's not going to give up on my son."

**Rausch** · 12-09-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Seems like a move that shouldn't be legal. If that's legal, then why wouldn't a kick to the nads be?

It is.

Kind of.

Like boxing, you get a warning.

Really though, a warning vs. screaming pain is as fair or unfair as they guy you have to face...

Jenson71 · 12-09-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

When it's fact it's not humor. Live with your choices.

Tom. Cash, let's talk about the humor inherent in the idea of a grown man who can't remove himself from the website that he continuously gets beaten down on, banned, and treated like shit at. Your complete dependence on this place for social interaction that ends up with everyone disliking you, you getting tossed from posting privileges, and you coming back with a new identity, consistently asking "Who's Tom? I don't know him" is a cycle of humor, though a sick and demented one.

Norman Einstein · 12-09-2010, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71

......., let's talk about the humor inherent in the idea of a grown man who can't remove himself from the website that he continuously gets beaten down on, banned, and treated like shit at. Your complete dependence on this place for social interaction that ends up with everyone disliking you, you getting tossed from posting privileges, and you coming back with a new identity, consistently asking "Who's Tom? I don't know him" is a cycle of humor, though a sick and demented one.

I've always stated that "I am not your friend". That one fact remains true.

Your hatred is going to eat you up. Grow up and move on.

Jenson71 · 12-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

I've always stated that "I am not your friend". That one fact remains true.

Shucks.

Norman Einstein · 12-09-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

Shucks.

I will be here for a very long time, get used to it.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 12-09-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

wow, guess wrestlin' is a man sport
cause with girls you could get twice the leverage

Used to do some youth wrestling (3 time state qualifier). My brother got matched up with this girl one time and one of our coaches said, "if she gets you on your back you better pinch her tit or something because if you lose to her you are walking home"

burt · 12-09-2010, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

I will be here for a very long time, get used to it.

Hey, you two need to take your spat elsewhere, you are degrading this great thread.

Oh, wait, anal probing, wrestling for gays, brown fingers..... never mind, carry on......

Jenson71 · 12-09-2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

I will be here for a very long time, get used to it.

I think we're all used to the infamous Tom. Cash by now. Oh, did your phone just ring from some random person in Ohio?

burt · 12-09-2010, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Used to do some youth wrestling (3 time state qualifier). My brother got matched up with this girl one time and one of our coaches said, "if she gets you on your back you better pinch her tit or something because if you lose to her you are walking home"

Unfortunately, I can't blame the coach. Some sports should NOT be coed. Unless its a very private venue.....

**Dave Lane** · 12-09-2010, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I wrestled from the time I was five years old until I graduated college and I have never put my fingers in another wrestlers ass or had it done to me. This kid's coaches must be the stupidest MF's on the planet, or the kid is lying about his coaches teaching him the move.

I'm telling you they would have had the quickest ejection ever when I crushed his skull with my elbows. That would be grounds for justified homicide in my book.

And I'd rather lose every match forever than resort to that.

BIG_DADDY · 12-09-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I enjoyed college wrestling, but trying to keep my weight down has caused me some health problems as I get older.

What does that mean exactly?

burt · 12-09-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

What does that mean exactly?

Well, for me, it's an excuse for getting fat. I will have to lose some lbs if I decide to work for a health club!

**gblowfish** · 12-09-2010, 01:19 PM

Wrasslin is GREAT in Ft. Smith, Arkansas. And $1 beer....YEEEEE HAW!

BIG_DADDY · 12-09-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burt

Well, for me, it's an excuse for getting fat. I will have to lose some lbs if I decide to work for a health club!

Actually it is the place to do it. If you take the step you will be thanking me for a long time. Looking back I wish I had taken the money I had saved and bought my own health club. I really enjoyed it.

threebag · 12-09-2010, 01:27 PM

Jenson71

LoL

a 71 is a 69+2 fingers in your ass

12-08-2010, 08:28 PM
Jawshco Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Clovis, CA Casino cash: $10004925	Boy's Wrestling move= Sexual Assualt Charge I'm not sure what to think about this, but I'm just tired of sue happy parents trying to wussify our kids. Although, I admit this is kind of messed up. http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/12/07/...-wrestler.html DA offers wrestler deal in sexual battery case Posted at 11:32 PM on Tuesday, Dec. 07, 2010 By Pablo Lopez / The Fresno Bee Share133 Was Clovis wrestler's legal move an illegal act? In a crowded gym during practice in front of parents and coaches, the Buchanan High School wrestler tackled a teammate and executed a move his coaches taught him. He inserted his fingers between the boy's buttocks. It's called the "butt drag," in which a wrestler grabs a rival's butt cheek and puts fingers in the anus to get leverage. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades. Prosecutors have offered a deal to a California teen wrestler charged with sexual battery for ramming his fingers into the rectum of his high school opponent during a practice match. The 17-year-old Clovis youth, who has been expelled by the school, faces trial in Fresno on Thursday. Clovis police say the July penetration incident led to the charge, but defense lawyer Stephen Quade says the teenager used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag." I suppose it's too late for apologies and rational discussion in the case of the wrestling move that Clovis police and the Fresno County District Attorney's Office say was sexual battery. We're not much for letting principals, parents, coaches and young people work things out for the benefit of all parties these days. Instead, we're quick to call the cops or the lawyers or the media and move school disputes into the public arena -- where opinions form hard and fast and students may lose their privacy. If you missed the story, here's the summary. A former Buchanan High School wrestler is headed to a juvenile court trial Thursday on allegations that he committed a misdemeanor on a younger teammate by performing a "butt drag" during a practice session last summer. The pending trial of a former Buchanan High wrestler charged with a sex crime has many in the community alarmed about the sport's already fragile future. "This isn't good," Sunnyside High coach David Wheeler said Monday. "California has lost college wrestling programs at Fresno State and UC Davis. We don't need any bad attention to the sport if we want to keep it going." Preston Hill, the former Buchanan senior who has since been expelled, faces a sexual battery charge after police say he rammed two fingers into a teammate's anus during a wrestling practice last summer. The trial begins Thursday in Fresno County Superior Court. The Fresno County District Attorney's Office is having second thoughts about prosecuting a Buchanan High School wrestler for sexual battery. Preston Hill, 17, is due to go on trial Thursday. Clovis police and the alleged victim said Preston rammed two fingers into the teammate's anus during wrestling practice in July. Preston's attorney says he used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag." Amid a public uproar over the case that began after The Bee reported it on Sunday, prosecutors met with Preston's attorney on Tuesday to offer a deal: The case would be dismissed if Preston -- who has been expelled from Buchanan -- stayed out of trouble for several months. Unlike most such deals, it would not require Preston to admit guilt. But Stephen Quade, who represents Preston, said his client will likely reject the offer because he didn't do anything wrong. JOHN WALKER / THE FRESNO BEE The Fresno County District Attorney's Office has offered to dismiss a sexual battery charge against Preston Hill, 17 (pictured with his mother, Kirsten Hill). The Buchanan High School student was charged in connection with a wrestling move called a "butt drag" during a team practice. Fresno court case alarms wrestling community Wrestling dispute begs for sense Quade said he is prepared to go to trial. Complicating the case is an apparent disagreement within the District Attorney's Office about how to proceed. A person with detailed knowledge of the case, speaking on condition of anonymity, said prosecutor Elana Smith is resisting instructions from her boss, District Attorney Elizabeth Egan, to drop the case. Egan declined to comment Tuesday. Smith could not be reached. But the source said Smith, a 12-year-veteran of the District Attorney's Office, is willing to stake her reputation -- and her job -- on the case. "She believes a crime has been committed, and she won't back down," the source said. If the case goes to trial, a key issue is whether the conduct meets the legal definition of sexual battery. That could hinge on the question of whether Preston had threatened the boy. The boy told police that Preston made a threatening gesture -- he inserted two fingers into a circle formed by his other hand -- indicating "he was going to place his fingers up his butt," the police report stated. Preston has denied making the gesture, and Quade has said no one else saw him doing it. But the source said Smith recently found a witness -- another student -- who can corroborate the 14-year-old's account about the gesture. Quade said the offer to conditionally dismiss the case came from Assistant District Attorney Lisa Gamoian and Rudy Carrillo, a chief deputy district attorney. Gamoian and Carrillo are Smith's supervisors. Smith was not present at the meeting, he said. Quade said the offer was better than the one made several months ago, but declined to give details. Preston rejected the earlier offer, Quade said. The case against Preston has drawn widespread attention because Preston and his parents contend their son, a senior, was using a legitimate wrestling move on the boy, a freshman at Buchanan High. They said Clovis wrestling coaches taught Preston the move, known as a "butt drag," and that he used the move during practice in front of coaches, teammates and parents. In general, the butt drag requires a wrestler to grab a rival's butt cheek to get leverage. Local coaches say anal penetration can occur accidentally, but should never be done on purpose. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades, authorities say. Ross Rice, father of the alleged victim, said Preston is a bully who targeted his son because the boy stood up to Preston during an earlier encounter. Because of the incident, Rice said, Preston's friends continue to tease his son at school. The boy also didn't go out for the wrestling team, his father said. Rice said Tuesday that Smith contacted him and told him that the trial might be delayed, but she didn't say anything about dropping the case. "She's a fighter," Rice said. "She's not going to give up on my son." Last edited by Jawshco; 12-08-2010 at 08:34 PM..
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