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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-04-2011, 06:37 PM

NFLPA Game practice risers and fallers

by Wes Bunting

Risers

CB Anthony Gaitor: Florida International
He isn’t the biggest of defensive backs, but the guy is feisty off the line, possesses good awareness down the field and can make plays on the football. He’s still a bit raw and will get overextended off the line with both his punch and footwork, but with some time/development I could definitely see this guy playing inside as a tough, savvy nickel defender.

OC Zane Taylor: Utah
He checked in at nearly 6-3 with 32-inch arms and has the type of anchor to hold the point of attack in the pass game and create some movement off the line as an in-line guy. He’s a bit limited as an athlete and will lose his balance at times through contact, causing him to fall off blocks. But he’s a tough, nasty interior blocker who has a passion for the game and looks like a draftable pivot.

DE Roberto Davis: NW Missouri State
In all honesty I never even saw a lick of Davis until this week, but he’s one of two small-school guys who really jumped out to me in San Antonio. He displayed a good first step off the snap, has some bend when asked to flatten out around the corner and uses his length/hands well to keep himself clean. Plus, he played the run game well shooting gaps inside and looks like at worst an intriguing priority free agent who could get a real shot as a 3-4 OLB to make a camp.

CB Buster Skrine: UT Chattanooga
Skrine was the other small-school kid who really jumped out to me this week. He’s a bit raw initially in his drop. However, he’s a fluid kid with good feet and balance and was a tough guy to separate from all week long.

DT Kenrick Ellis: Hampton
The guy was downright dominant at times on Tuesday, using his explosive first step and natural leverage to knife his way into the backfield and close on the ball. Yesterday, he wasn’t nearly as impressive and seemed a bit disinterested in practice — one of the big concerns I have with a character concern guy like Ellis. However, he’s a talented kid with a great frame and if the light ever goes on, the guy could be a very good starting pro in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme.

OC Tim Barnes: Missouri
I was expecting a very good week from Barnes and I came away not disappointed at all. He showcased good snap and step ability, can sit into his stance and anchor vs. bigger defenders and works his hands well through contact. At times he gets a bit overextended initially into blocks trying to be physical off the snap. Nevertheless, he’s one of the few centers in the class who I think has some starting potential at the next level and showed well for himself this week.

Fallers

DB Jay Valai: Wisconsin
Coming in at only 5-8 and 203 pounds is never a good way to start the week for a safety. However, it got worse, as he really struggled holding up in coverage, consistently trying to jump routes in order to make plays, but routinely guessing wrong and stopping his feet. Add that in to the fact he misses far too many tackles and he looks like a camp body at best.

DB Kevin Rutland: Missouri
It’s tough to give a good grade to a tall, long-legged corner who struggles to turn and run. But that is exactly the case with Rutland. He gives up far too much separation out his breaks, lacks balance and fluidity when asked to redirect and has had a tough time covering just about any wideout down here.

DT Jerrell Powe: Ole Miss
I’m not saying that Powe isn’t one of the best prospects down here and that he won’t be one of the first guys drafted from this game. But in all honesty I was pretty underwhelmed by his performance this week. Now, he is tough to move in the run game, I will give him that. However, he isn’t a gifted pass rusher, gets upright if/when he gains a step inside and doesn’t do a great job finding the football. Looks limited to more of a two-down run guy who can eat up space, but in my view isn’t worth more than a mid-to-late round pick.

OLB Wayne Daniels: TCU
After watching Daniels this week the one thing that jumped out to me is that there's just nothing real dynamic about his game as a pass rusher. He’s got an average first step, isn’t overly sudden or shifty on his counter and in my mind his best pass rushes down here came on the bull rush. He’s got enough talent to get a look as a 34-rush guy, but don’t see him as anything more than a fringe roster guy.

**tyler360** · 02-08-2011, 12:21 AM

The last thing I want to see is Lilja at center.

I don't think he can pull that off at all.

Frankie · 02-08-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Steroids make your arms longer?

PhilFree

... and your head smaller.

Saccopoo · 02-08-2011, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LaDairis

Lilja is a good center. He played two games in place of Saturday and didn't screw up once, not one bad snap, not one penalty, and the OL did not allow a sack.

Now that he has a year here under his belt, he is ready to take over C.

Waters, Asa and Harris as OGs. Need an ORT badly...

What the ****?

Lilja is Wiegmann light in terms of center. Lilja is a good guard for this scheme. Not great and he isn't the center Wiegmann is. That is some crazy talk.

The only center I'd take Lilja at is long snapper.

**BossChief** · 02-08-2011, 09:12 AM

It's nice to see sac posting good stuff again after his 1 year hiatus in Okungville

Chris Meck · 02-08-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

It was, but I have no illusions to the long term role of Wiegmann at that position. The guy played very well this past season, better than anyone else on the line, but he will be 38 at the start of the 2011 season. While that's amazing, and I think he's been one of, if not the most underrated offensive line player of the last decade plus (only one Pro Bowl), it's Methuselah in terms of football age.

(Wiegmann gave up the least amount of sacks, had the least amount of penalties and was the best at positive yardage in power situations. He was the best player on the line in 2010.)

You are completely, utterly insane. In both the Oakland game AND Ravens game-just as an example, Wiegmann was thrown about like a ragdoll. All season long, when we needed to pick up a 3rd and 1, we were unable to do so with any sort of running play inside the tackles. No push whatsoever. Casey is too small to play in any 'power situation' in any way, shape, or form.

Frankie · 02-08-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

In both the Oakland game AND Ravens game-just as an example, Wiegmann was thrown about like a ragdoll. All season long, when we needed to pick up a 3rd and 1, we were unable to do so with any sort of running play inside the tackles. No push whatsoever. Casey is too small to play in any 'power situation' in any way, shape, or form.

Plus he is too old. Especially in the 2nd half of the season. We definitely need a young and powerful starting C and then I don't mind keeping Wiegs fresh on the bench as the back up for another year or two.

jd1020 · 02-08-2011, 02:22 PM

Cant we all just agree that OT is our #1 priority this draft and the only position worthy of a 1st round pick? Nevermind the fact that Cassel actually had time to throw this year but the receivers couldnt get the 5 yards of seperation needed for Cassel to throw the ball, or that Cassel doesnt like to quit on a play and throw the ball away so he takes a sack when he left the pocket 8 seconds ago.

Danman · 02-08-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Cant we all just agree that OT is are #1 priority this draft and the only position worthy of a 1st round pick?

No! We can't agree to this. OT is maybe the 3rd or 4th priority of this team and is a waste of a 1st round pick at this stage of our development. We need playmakers on both sides of the ball. We can get a RT in the 3rd Rd or in free agency. If you wanna talk o-line needs, see most of the previous discussion here about the center position. It's a bigger need.

jd1020 · 02-08-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danman

No! We can't agree to this. OT is maybe the 3rd or 4th priority of this team and is a waste of a 1st round pick at this stage of our development. We need playmakers on both sides of the ball. We can get a RT in the 3rd Rd or in free agency. If you wanna talk o-line needs, see most of the previous discussion here about the center position. It's a bigger need.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Our QB can't read a childrens book, let alone a NFL defense. He needs 3x more pocket time to go through progressions. This means we need to draft a guy like Constanzo who may be marginally better than what we have now. We were strong on 3rd and shorts up the gut with the run. We've got more vertical threats than any team in the league. And we get to the opposing teams QB better than any other team in the league with pressure inside and out.

Bewbies · 02-08-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Our QB can't read a childrens book, let alone a NFL defense. He needs 3x more pocket time to go through progressions. This means we need to draft a guy like Constanzo who may be marginally better than what we have now. We were strong on 3rd and shorts up the gut with the run. We've got more vertical threats than any team in the league. And we get to the opposing teams QB better than any other team in the league with pressure inside and out.

Okung is going to dress up like a ninja and cut your Costanzo off.

jd1020 · 02-08-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Okung is going to dress up like a ninja and cut your Costanzo off.

I dont think a 6'5'' 310lb'er is going to be sneaking up on my Costanzo!

milkman · 02-08-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danman

No! We can't agree to this. OT is maybe the 3rd or 4th priority of this team and is a waste of a 1st round pick at this stage of our development. We need playmakers on both sides of the ball. We can get a RT in the 3rd Rd or in free agency. If you wanna talk o-line needs, see most of the previous discussion here about the center position. It's a bigger need.

Frankie · 02-08-2011, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danman

OT is maybe the 3rd or 4th priority of this team and is a waste of a 1st round pick at this stage of our development. We need playmakers on both sides of the ball. We can get a RT in the 3rd Rd or in free agency.

The same kind of argument could be made about WRs, which is about the only "playmaker" position we need.

CoMoChief · 02-08-2011, 05:34 PM

why do people still think we are gonna move Albert to guard?

serious question.....why??

jd1020 · 02-08-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

why do people still think we are gonna move Albert to guard?

serious question.....why??

Because we can draft Costanzo in the first round. Who else are we going to draft? Surely not a OLB, WR, C, or NT.

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Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3077187	NFLPA Game practice risers and fallers NFLPA Game practice risers and fallers by Wes Bunting Risers CB Anthony Gaitor: Florida International He isn’t the biggest of defensive backs, but the guy is feisty off the line, possesses good awareness down the field and can make plays on the football. He’s still a bit raw and will get overextended off the line with both his punch and footwork, but with some time/development I could definitely see this guy playing inside as a tough, savvy nickel defender. OC Zane Taylor: Utah He checked in at nearly 6-3 with 32-inch arms and has the type of anchor to hold the point of attack in the pass game and create some movement off the line as an in-line guy. He’s a bit limited as an athlete and will lose his balance at times through contact, causing him to fall off blocks. But he’s a tough, nasty interior blocker who has a passion for the game and looks like a draftable pivot. DE Roberto Davis: NW Missouri State In all honesty I never even saw a lick of Davis until this week, but he’s one of two small-school guys who really jumped out to me in San Antonio. He displayed a good first step off the snap, has some bend when asked to flatten out around the corner and uses his length/hands well to keep himself clean. Plus, he played the run game well shooting gaps inside and looks like at worst an intriguing priority free agent who could get a real shot as a 3-4 OLB to make a camp. CB Buster Skrine: UT Chattanooga Skrine was the other small-school kid who really jumped out to me this week. He’s a bit raw initially in his drop. However, he’s a fluid kid with good feet and balance and was a tough guy to separate from all week long. DT Kenrick Ellis: Hampton The guy was downright dominant at times on Tuesday, using his explosive first step and natural leverage to knife his way into the backfield and close on the ball. Yesterday, he wasn’t nearly as impressive and seemed a bit disinterested in practice — one of the big concerns I have with a character concern guy like Ellis. However, he’s a talented kid with a great frame and if the light ever goes on, the guy could be a very good starting pro in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme. OC Tim Barnes: Missouri I was expecting a very good week from Barnes and I came away not disappointed at all. He showcased good snap and step ability, can sit into his stance and anchor vs. bigger defenders and works his hands well through contact. At times he gets a bit overextended initially into blocks trying to be physical off the snap. Nevertheless, he’s one of the few centers in the class who I think has some starting potential at the next level and showed well for himself this week. Fallers DB Jay Valai: Wisconsin Coming in at only 5-8 and 203 pounds is never a good way to start the week for a safety. However, it got worse, as he really struggled holding up in coverage, consistently trying to jump routes in order to make plays, but routinely guessing wrong and stopping his feet. Add that in to the fact he misses far too many tackles and he looks like a camp body at best. DB Kevin Rutland: Missouri It’s tough to give a good grade to a tall, long-legged corner who struggles to turn and run. But that is exactly the case with Rutland. He gives up far too much separation out his breaks, lacks balance and fluidity when asked to redirect and has had a tough time covering just about any wideout down here. DT Jerrell Powe: Ole Miss I’m not saying that Powe isn’t one of the best prospects down here and that he won’t be one of the first guys drafted from this game. But in all honesty I was pretty underwhelmed by his performance this week. Now, he is tough to move in the run game, I will give him that. However, he isn’t a gifted pass rusher, gets upright if/when he gains a step inside and doesn’t do a great job finding the football. Looks limited to more of a two-down run guy who can eat up space, but in my view isn’t worth more than a mid-to-late round pick. OLB Wayne Daniels: TCU After watching Daniels this week the one thing that jumped out to me is that there's just nothing real dynamic about his game as a pass rusher. He’s got an average first step, isn’t overly sudden or shifty on his counter and in my mind his best pass rushes down here came on the bull rush. He’s got enough talent to get a look as a 34-rush guy, but don’t see him as anything more than a fringe roster guy.
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