Chiefs Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ? - Page 3

royr17 · 02-10-2011, 05:18 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/kc/?r=1

ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher.

Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 08:42 PM

I don't know what the hell Williamson is smoking. You'd think that a guy whose job was to cover the AFC West would know that Belcher is undersized as a Ted linebacker.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Heaven forbid I want to upgrade one of our weak links on our defense.

I don't think they played that bad, considering how our Nose Tackle, who's supposed to occupy 2-3 blockers, was barely occupying one.

You get a Nose Guard to take hats off of Belcher and DJ, and they both have potential to be solid 3-4 ILBs. Yeah, we could upgrade and you don't want to pass up on a surefire stud, but if you walked into next season with a new Nose Tackle and an OLB who can actually contain the edge and put some pressure on the QB, our ILBs will be just fine.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

228 is what the Chiefs have him listed as.

That's something I was curious about too. While I try not to believe the "he said, she said" crap, the only reason I might believe him is he sure as hell doesn't play like 228.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 08:49 PM

He's listed at 228 on the Chiefs site, the NFL site, and he was listed at 230 at Maine.

ChiefsCountry · 02-10-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think they played that bad, considering how our Nose Tackle, who's supposed to occupy 2-3 blockers, was barely occupying one.

You get a Nose Guard to take hats off of Belcher and DJ, and they both have potential to be solid 3-4 ILBs. Yeah, we could upgrade and you don't want to pass up on a surefire stud, but if you walked into next season with a new Nose Tackle and an OLB who can actually contain the edge and put some pressure on the QB, our ILBs will be just fine.

I would be fine going into next season with Belcher if we got a new NT and OLB, but he is 3rd on the list as players that need an upgrade on defense.

TheGuardian · 02-10-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know what the hell Williamson is smoking. You'd think that a guy whose job was to cover the AFC West would know that Belcher is undersized as a Ted linebacker.

As I noted, Jovan told me himself he showed up at camp at 252. He did fine at the point and taking on fullbacks. He'll only be in his third year next season.

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Heaven forbid I want to upgrade one of our weak links on our defense.

Who made the scientific observation that he was a weak link? You??? WTF do you know about linebacker play?

Nothing.

TheGuardian · 02-10-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's listed at 228 on the Chiefs site, the NFL site, and he was listed at 230 at Maine.

REading is ****ing fundamental.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

REading is ****ing fundamental.

Yeah, it is. It's also pretty damned obvious I think you're full of shit, so **** off.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Who made the scientific observation that he was a weak link? You??? WTF do you know about linebacker play?

Nothing.

Obviously more than you if you think he wasn't.

TheGuardian · 02-10-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, it is. It's also pretty damned obvious I think you're full of shit, so **** off.

You can think whatever the **** you want. But I talk to Jovan pretty frequently. I don't give two shits if you believe that or not. He went into camp last year at 242 and by the time the season was over was back at 230. I don't know what his ending weight for this season was, but he went into camp at 252. When he gets back from New York I'll ask him about it.

So go eat a bag of dicks you fake football knowledge bitch.

**the Talking Can** · 02-10-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You can think whatever the **** you want. But I talk to Jovan pretty frequently. I don't give two shits if you believe that or not. He went into camp last year at 242 and by the time the season was over was back at 230. I don't know what his ending weight for this season was, but he went into camp at 252. When he gets back from New York I'll ask him about it.

So go eat a bag of dicks you fake football knowledge bitch.

so he obviously wasn't playing at 250, and 230 is his natural weight

thanks fake football guy.....for making every thread you post in smell like fart

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I would be fine going into next season with Belcher if we got a new NT and OLB, but he is 3rd on the list as players that need an upgrade on defense.

Yeah, that's fair to say, but it becomes a really distant 3rd on the defensive side. It still falls behind NT, OLB, WR, C, RT, and QB on the priority list, IMO. But you're right, while I'm comfortable with Belcher starting, there's nothing wrong with bringing in a new guy and starting him if he outperforms Belcher. Or bringing in a guy that's good, but can't beat out Belcher for a starting job even. We need depth at ILB for sure.

TheGuardian · 02-10-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so he obviously wasn't playing at 250, and 230 is his natural weight

thanks fake football guy.....for making every thread you post in smell like fart

Pretty much every guy loses weight throughout the season you ****ing idiot. The fact that you never played a god damn down is the reason you don't know this.

So if a guy walks into camp at 250 he might have played most of the season at 235-240. No one plays the season at the same weight throughout.

****ing idiot, you need bitch slapped.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 09:10 PM

This is the same reason why no one considers Casey Wiegmann 290 pounds, dumb shit.

TheGuardian · 02-10-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is the same reason why no one considers Casey Wiegmann 290 pounds, dumb shit.

I never said he was, so who the **** are you calling dumb hit, dumbshit?

You're the ****tard that said we need a guy that is 25 pounds bigger than Jovan. So we need a 275 pound inside backer?

Jovan played fine for a second year guy getting his first year to start. I don't need to hear you dumb bitches talk about linebacker play when you don't know shit about it.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	I don't know what the hell Williamson is smoking. You'd think that a guy whose job was to cover the AFC West would know that Belcher is undersized as a Ted linebacker. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-10-2011, 08:49 PM	#34
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	He's listed at 228 on the Chiefs site, the NFL site, and he was listed at 230 at Maine. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-10-2011, 09:10 PM	#44
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	This is the same reason why no one considers Casey Wiegmann 290 pounds, dumb shit. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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