Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Come on Dane.

That isn't remotely close to what he is saying.

No, but he's completely avoiding the fact that the TED backer position could be upgraded and is blaming Belcher's issues squarely on the lack of a true nose tackle.

As I stated earlier, Belcher clearly improved from his rookie season but he still has issues of shedding blocks, speed, quickness and instinct. We all know that guys may run slower but play faster due to their football instincts but, I haven't seen that ability in Belcher yet. Maybe he'll make another huge leap from year two to year three and it won't be an issue from a starting position standpoint.

But again, if the Chiefs can logically upgrade that position, whether it be depth or competition, it would be a mistake to pass.

[TheGuardian]

Every position could in theory be upgraded.

However upgrading at inside backer over Belcher is NOT pressing. His play was solid, and when you are in your second year and only first year starting and you are solid why would we be out trying to find an upgrade instead of allowing the player to ascend?

It's stupid as shit.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Every position could in theory be upgraded.

However upgrading at inside backer over Belcher is NOT pressing. His play was solid, and when you are in your second year and only first year starting and you are solid why would we be out trying to find an upgrade instead of allowing the player to ascend?

It's stupid as shit.

I never stated it was pressing. What I stated was that if the Chiefs passed on an opportunity to acquire a solid backup or even competition at that position, they'd be remiss in doing so.

Nothing less. I never stated he sucked, I never stated he shouldn't be the starter, I never stated he hadn't improved - nothing. None of the above.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, but he's completely avoiding the fact that the TED backer position could be upgraded and is blaming Belcher's issues squarely on the lack of a true nose tackle.

As I stated earlier, Belcher clearly improved from his rookie season but he still has issues of shedding blocks, speed, quickness and instinct. We all know that guys may run slower but play faster due to their football instincts but, I haven't seen that ability in Belcher yet. Maybe he'll make another huge leap from year two to year three and it won't be an issue from a starting position standpoint.

But again, if the Chiefs can logically upgrade that position, whether it be depth or competition, it would be a mistake to pass.

His argument is that Belcher shows signs of being an ascending player, and that there should be no rush to replace him, given the more pressing needs that this team has.

He does need to improve, but part of his struggles can also be directly attributed to the fact that guards can get out on him unmolested, and the fact is that in a battle between the guard and LB, the gurd is going to win that battle a 80-85% of the time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

His argument is that Belcher shows signs of being an ascending player, and that there should be no rush to replace him, given the more pressing needs that this team has.

He does need to improve, but part of his struggles can also be directly attributed to the fact that guards can get out on him unmolested, and the fact is that in a battle between the guard and LB, the gurd is going to win that battle a 80-85% of the time.

And I've not stated anywhere in this thread that there should be a rush to replace him. I've pointed out his weaknesses and stated that the Chiefs would be remiss if they passed on a logical possibility of adding a backup or even competition at the spot.

"Logical" implying that it would be a no-brainer.