Ihop beat down?

[MIAdragon]

Justified or not? I dont think so. (if its a repost gfys)

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

No personal offense, but you really need to learn more about law enforcement.

None taken and, given that I've got family/friends in both the civilian and military police, I figure I'm fine with the amount of knowledge that I have. There was no need for the escalation of force there. Hell, to begin with, the officer should have removed the woman in the middle before going after the one he did. The cop was incompetent from the start.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Donger

What in the world is it excessive when responding in kind?

He was not responding in kind.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

None taken and, given that I've got family/friends in both the civilian and military police, I figure I'm fine with the amount of knowledge that I have. There was no need for the escalation of force there. Hell, to begin with, the officer should have removed the woman in the middle before going after the one he did. The cop was incompetent from the start.

IYO, what should he have done in this situation based on what we know?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

IYO, what should he have done in this situation based on what we know?

Cleared the middle woman from the table first, or at least wait for the other officer to be in position. There were multiple people in the booth, and the cop let himself get into a 1-on-3 situation instead of getting another officer in there right away. There were enough officers there to properly control the situation. The officer acted incompetently. Hauling off on the 3rd woman was not his only screw up.

Also, those going with the "hands on the cop" nonsense should take note that there were two women with hands on the cop. Apparently, the cop should have also beat the shit out of the one touching his back.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

He was not responding in kind.

Sure he was. He punched her in the face after she smacked him in the face.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Jaric

she's lucky he didn't tase her.

say what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&t=116

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sure he was. He punched her in the face after she smacked him in the face.

Watch the video again. You've got it wrong.

[KCrockaholic]

[QUOTE=Just Passin' By;7596552]

Cleared the middle woman from the table first. There were enough officers there to properly control the situation. The officer acted incompetently. Hauling off on the 3rd woman was not his only screw up.

The problem with this is that the middle woman was clinging to her friend and attempting to hold the woman back that the police were after in the first place. The woman in the middle was not just going to get up and out of the way. That would have taken physical force, and they were already attempting to remove the first woman with physical force. It sounds good in theory, but it doesn't always work that way.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Watch the video again. You've got it wrong.

I have watched it. He pushes (maybe a slap) her face to get her away AFTER she clearly has her hands on his person. She then goes nutso and hits him repeatedly. He then punches her.

[Just Passin' By]

[QUOTE=KCrockaholic;7596568]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The problem with this is that the middle woman was clinging to her friend and attempting to hold the woman back that the police were after in the first place. The woman in the middle was not just going to get up and out of the way. That would have taken physical force, and they were already attempting to remove the first woman with physical force. It sounds good in theory, but it doesn't always work that way.

I tried to clarify my post, but I must have done a poor job.

There were 3 women. By "middle", I meant the one between the camera people and the one engaged by the cop.

This was a booth. the cop was pulling on the black woman who was on the outside of the booth, on the side farthest from the camera in the second video. In the process, he was putting the second woman on that side in position to get crushed and banged. That's not the one I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about the one he ended up slugging. She should either have been removed earlier, or the cop should have waited until another officer was in position.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Donger

I have watched it. He pushes (maybe a slap) her face to get her away AFTER she clearly has her hands on his person. She then goes nutso and hits him repeatedly. He then punches her.

She had her hands on his collar. And she was shoving his arm to try to get him to let go of the main woman. Well that's called assault on a police officer, and the bitch had it comin.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Donger

I have watched it. He pushes (maybe a slap) her face to get her away AFTER she clearly has her hands on his person. She then goes nutso and hits him repeatedly. He then punches her.

Hands on his person is not the same as your initial claim. You claimed that she smacked him in the face first, and that he was just responding in kind. That's not true.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Jaric

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Hands on his person is not the same as your initial claim. You claimed that she smacked him in the face first, and that he was just responding in kind. That's not true.

I was referring to what transpired after he pushed her away. which part are you taking issue with? Him pushing her away or him punching her in the face? Both?

And, aren't cops allowed to use force at higher levels than those they are trying to subdue/arrest? I would think so.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I tried to clarify my post, but I must have done a poor job.

There were 3 women. By "middle", I meant the one between the camera people and the one engaged by the cop.

This was a booth. the cop was pulling on the black woman who was on the outside of the booth, on the side farthest from the camera in the second video. In the process, he was putting the second woman on that side in position to get crushed and banged. That's not the one I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about the one he ended up slugging. She should either have been removed earlier, or the cop should have waited until another officer was in position.

Ok. Now I see what you are saying. It could have been handled in that manner, or at least attempted.....Its another one of those videos that we need to see more of the beginning to fully understand what was going on....And at the same time, the one that got punched wasn't even meant to be involved, and the police weren't there to have an altercation with her, it was with 1 woman apparently. If she minds her own business like a normal person, she never gets punched.