Football Who is worst QB in the division? - Page 8

OctoberFart · 08-29-2011, 10:24 AM

Just for shits and giggles lets see what the people with MO education think.

Ugly Duck · 09-25-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

the Faid are well on thier way to a 2-8 record outside the division yet again.

Experts picks 'em even at 12-12

ESPN: 5-3 Raiders over Jets
NFL.com: 3-1 Jets over Raiders
CBS: 4-1 Raiders over Jets
USA Today: 6-2 Jets over Raiders

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-25-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

Experts picks 'em even at 12-12

ESPN: 5-3 Raiders over Jets
NFL.com: 3-1 Jets over Raiders
CBS: 4-1 Raiders over Jets
USA Today: 6-2 Jets over Raiders

Smoke em if you got em. The Raiders smell like Bill Callahan and Al Davis depends.

Ugly Duck · 09-25-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

the Faid are well on thier way to a 2-8 record outside the division yet again.

**Buck** · 09-25-2011, 08:52 PM

They should reset the poll and let us vote again. I mean, I voted for Cassel the first time through and I will again, but I think it would be Cassel pretty overwhelmingly if everyone voted again.

Ugly Duck · 09-25-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

They should reset the poll and let us vote again.

NFL.com Season QB Rating through Week 3:

#10 -Jason Campbell
#23 - Phillip Rivers
#25 - Kyle Orton
#31 - Matt Cassel

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta..._PASSER_RATING

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-25-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

They should reset the poll and let us vote again. I mean, I voted for Cassel the first time through and I will again, but I think it would be Cassel pretty overwhelmingly if everyone voted again.

Yep

BillSelfsTrophycase · 09-25-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Cassel is going to come on strong midway through the season and have another excellent Pro Bowl season.

Rasputin · 09-26-2011, 12:49 AM

Cassel is just best at sucking!

Chiefs4TheWin · 09-26-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Cassel is going to come on strong midway through the season and have another excellent Pro Bowl season.

Knowmo never lets me down!

Ugly Duck · 09-26-2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (from an older thread)

The Raiders might be the worst pass blocking team in the league with the worst receivers.

How are you supposed to beat teams with killer defenses like New York (Jets)

Wake up and smell the coffee. The Raiders got worse this offseason, the Chiefs got a LOT better

NFL.com ranks the Raider O-line at #2. You are wrong about the Raider O-line. Campbell's two "sacks" were when he tripped on McFadden's foot & fell and also when he took too long on a kneeldown. His lone INT was a hail mary. Campbell finally has time to throw the ball & enjoys the #10 QB rating. Veldeer & Wiznewski are playing very well.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

You were wrong about the Raiders getting worse. You were wrong about the Chiefs getting "a LOT better." Its OK - I've been wrong before, too. At least, I think I have.....

Rasputin · 09-26-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

NFL.com ranks the Raider O-line at #2. You are wrong about the Raider O-line. Campbell's two "sacks" were when he tripped on McFadden's foot & fell and also when he took too long on a kneeldown. His lone INT was a hail mary. Campbell finally has time to throw the ball & enjoys the #10 QB rating. Veldeer & Wiznewski are playing very well.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

You were wrong about the Raiders getting worse. You were wrong about the Chiefs getting "a LOT better." Its OK - I've been wrong before, too. At least, I think I have.....

Give this man a cookie.

Inspector · 09-26-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

x+x=truth
2x=truth
x=truth/2

truth/2 = half truth

you only telling a half truth as usual

half truth = LIE

QED

You kids and your new math. No wonder I can't help my grandkids with homework.

Ugly Duck · 09-28-2011, 04:29 PM

ESPN Insider sez Campbell is NOT the worst AFCW QB:

It is clear this team is not the same old Raiders. In fact, it looks like a bona fide playoff contender. The obvious place to start is to note the play of Darren McFadden. He has always been a dominant player (he was every bit as good as Jamaal Charles on a per-game basis the past three years) but his early MVP-like start is finally getting him the acclaim he deserves as one of the NFL's best running backs. But space may be opening for McFadden because of the progress quarterback Jason Campbell has made in his second year in coach Hue Jackson's system. Campbell ranks in the top 10 in the league in both Total QBR and in passer rating. Campbell has also made zero bad decisions (defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads either to a turnover or a near turnover (such as a dropped interception or fumble recovered by the offense) this season, so it isn't as if his numbers are the result of luck.

He's not just throwing a bunch of safe passes, either -- 31 percent of his throws have been of the vertical variety (vertical being defined as aerials thrown 11 or more yards downfield). That Campbell is gaining 11.8 yards per attempt (YPA) on those vertical throws is impressive enough (only five quarterbacks last year finished the season with a vertical YPA that high), but what makes it even more notable is that it has been largely achieved without the services of Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford and Kevin Boss. All three have missed significant time because of injury and yet Campbell and the offense have continued to thrive.

One reason Campbell is having success on downfield passes is the superb job the Raiders' blocking wall has done in protecting him. Oakland has allowed only two sacks this season (a total that is tied for the lowest in the NFL) and one of those occurred on a fluke play when McFadden tripped Campbell while trying to make a block. That Oakland has achieved this total while having a second-year player (Jared Veldheer) at left tackle and a rookie (Stefen Wisniewski) at left guard speaks volumes for how well this group has been coached.

For the 2011 Raiders, that formula could mean as many as 10 wins and a spot in the playoffs.

**kysirsoze** · 09-28-2011, 04:38 PM

Yeah, I'd change my vote.

Mr. Arrowhead · 11-23-2011, 06:49 PM

Orton only got 8 votes

View Poll Results: Who sucks the most?
Campbell	123	57.75%
Cassel	81	38.03%
Orton	9	4.23%
Voters: 213. You may not vote on this poll

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09-28-2011, 04:29 PM	#118
Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	ESPN Insider sez Campbell is NOT the worst AFCW QB: It is clear this team is not the same old Raiders. In fact, it looks like a bona fide playoff contender. The obvious place to start is to note the play of Darren McFadden. He has always been a dominant player (he was every bit as good as Jamaal Charles on a per-game basis the past three years) but his early MVP-like start is finally getting him the acclaim he deserves as one of the NFL's best running backs. But space may be opening for McFadden because of the progress quarterback Jason Campbell has made in his second year in coach Hue Jackson's system. Campbell ranks in the top 10 in the league in both Total QBR and in passer rating. Campbell has also made zero bad decisions (defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads either to a turnover or a near turnover (such as a dropped interception or fumble recovered by the offense) this season, so it isn't as if his numbers are the result of luck. He's not just throwing a bunch of safe passes, either -- 31 percent of his throws have been of the vertical variety (vertical being defined as aerials thrown 11 or more yards downfield). That Campbell is gaining 11.8 yards per attempt (YPA) on those vertical throws is impressive enough (only five quarterbacks last year finished the season with a vertical YPA that high), but what makes it even more notable is that it has been largely achieved without the services of Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford and Kevin Boss. All three have missed significant time because of injury and yet Campbell and the offense have continued to thrive. One reason Campbell is having success on downfield passes is the superb job the Raiders' blocking wall has done in protecting him. Oakland has allowed only two sacks this season (a total that is tied for the lowest in the NFL) and one of those occurred on a fluke play when McFadden tripped Campbell while trying to make a block. That Oakland has achieved this total while having a second-year player (Jared Veldheer) at left tackle and a rookie (Stefen Wisniewski) at left guard speaks volumes for how well this group has been coached. For the 2011 Raiders, that formula could mean as many as 10 wins and a spot in the playoffs. __________________ “In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.” ― Carl Sagan
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09-28-2011, 04:38 PM	#119
kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $26946	Yeah, I'd change my vote.
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11-23-2011, 06:49 PM	#120
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