NFL Draft Should the NFL do a Lottery? - Page 2

**CosmicPal** · 11-07-2011, 10:01 AM

I happened to see a few moments of the Indy game yesterday and one thing seemed certain to me- that team is clearly NOT interested in winning football games.

I figured Miami was doing the same until yesterday's game against our hapless Chiefs.

I have to wonder if Indy is seriously losing to grab Andrew Luck?

So, should the NFL institute a Lottery draft like the NBA and NHL? To prevent teams from losing on purpose?

The first five picks in the draft go into a lottery pool? Would this field more competitiveness in the NFL? And prevent teams from losing on purpose?

I don't recall a year when a team or teams lost on purpose, but I have to think Indy is doing just that this year. I mean seriously, that team has some talent there to win a few games without Manning.

whoman69 · 11-07-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

#1) Instilling a new rule because one team appears to be tanking 1 season for the first time ever in the history of the league? You must be a fan of Congress.

#2) The Colts are trying to have Manning play at the end of the year. Does that sound like a team that is tanking the season? He isn't on IR yet. If they were actually tanking the season, then he would be on IR.

#3) Fans are whiny when their team is going to miss out on a perceived 'great' QB. There is only one Luck. That means that only one team gets him, and the fans of the other losing teams in the NFL will be upset about that. Of course, unless somehow Luck actually doesn't pan out....then those fans are going to talk about how they knew he was overated.

I think the Colts are not putting Manning on IR because that would piss him off. He doesn't get paid and can't hang onto his delusion that he could play the last couple games.

I think until it becomes clear that teams are losing to get a better pick, the lottery system is stupid. I also think that despite their protests, the NBA has rigged the picks. Do you think under the same circumstances that the Chiefs would get the #1 unless 40 years from now Clark Hunt is dying from cancer?

Dr. Gigglepants · 11-07-2011, 03:31 PM

Why would a head coach tank a season to get a qb that he most likely won't get to coach? NFL coaches are on too short of a leash to tank a season. Players also have pride, I'm sure Reggie Wayne doesn't want what could be his last season to be a winless one. He might never catch a pass from Luck, why would he care about that?

This entire movement is media and fan driven.

Fritz88 · 11-07-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal

I happened to see a few moments of the Indy game yesterday and one thing seemed certain to me- that team is clearly NOT interested in winning football games.

Believe me, Karma is a ****ing bitch and they will pay dearly for tanking the season like that. I pray that Luck turns out to be a bigger bust than Leaf + Russell.

Bump · 11-07-2011, 05:14 PM

HELL NO

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Chiefaholic · 11-07-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

Believe me, Karma is a ****ing bitch and they will pay dearly for tanking the season like that. I pray that Luck turns out to be a bigger bust than Leaf + Russell.

Not going to happen... Luck isn't a one year wonder at what he does. I haven't seen anybody with his ability since Drew Breese. This kid has ALL the intangibles to be a great QB in the NFL.

tredadda · 11-07-2011, 05:24 PM

We will know if Indy is tanking the season this week. They are playing Jacksonville who is awful (despite their win over the Ravens). If they get blow out by Jacksonville then I will say they are tanking but not until then.

**Bugeater** · 11-07-2011, 05:26 PM

I would be in favor of it. It gets tiresome seeing the best players going to the same handful of loser-ass franchises every damn year.

Willie Lanier · 11-07-2011, 05:28 PM

No NFL team can afford to intentionally tank, from the front office to the coaching staff to the current players...

No thank you to the ping pong balls

seamonster · 11-07-2011, 05:41 PM

Letting teams like the colts intentionally loose games is pretty ****ing stupid if you ask me, much more ****ing stupid than the NBA lottery in fact. They've got to do something to mitigate future Colt debacles.

jd1020 · 11-07-2011, 05:45 PM

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**Bugeater** · 11-07-2011, 05:48 PM

I can't believe how many people favor a system that rewards failure and punishes success.

Backwards Masking · 11-07-2011, 05:52 PM

A few weeks ago I would have answered with a resounding "Hell no" - the point that many have made about coaches being on too short a leash to risk losing purposely rings true UNLESS the owner is every bit as gung ho about getting the #1 as the coach is (as I'm now thinking is the case with the Indy owner and Jim Caldwell.)

After seeing what the Colts are doing, (I do think it's on purpose at this point - if Caldwell keeps his job after the season anyone who doubts they did it on purpose is a Sucker) I'm going to vote yes, there should a lottery. Even though chances on the first year it's instigated we'll probably finish with the worst record.

Backwards Masking · 11-07-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I can't believe how many people favor a system that rewards failure and punishes success.

i agree. after seeing what the Colts are doing it's hard not to think of the Draft in any other way.

Willie Lanier · 11-07-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I can't believe how many people favor a system that rewards failure and punishes success.

I see your point, but there are too many years when the team with the #1 pick is so substandard that for them not to have the opportunity to draft the best prospect would be counterproductive for league parity. This year may piss a lot of people off, but more often than not I think the current system works well

Bump · 11-07-2011, 06:05 PM

I for one, admire the Colts. I wish we had the balls to do this.

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CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Should the NFL do a Lottery? I happened to see a few moments of the Indy game yesterday and one thing seemed certain to me- that team is clearly NOT interested in winning football games. I figured Miami was doing the same until yesterday's game against our hapless Chiefs. I have to wonder if Indy is seriously losing to grab Andrew Luck? So, should the NFL institute a Lottery draft like the NBA and NHL? To prevent teams from losing on purpose? The first five picks in the draft go into a lottery pool? Would this field more competitiveness in the NFL? And prevent teams from losing on purpose? I don't recall a year when a team or teams lost on purpose, but I have to think Indy is doing just that this year. I mean seriously, that team has some talent there to win a few games without Manning.
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11-07-2011, 03:31 PM	#17
Dr. Gigglepants Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Casino cash: $2400	Why would a head coach tank a season to get a qb that he most likely won't get to coach? NFL coaches are on too short of a leash to tank a season. Players also have pride, I'm sure Reggie Wayne doesn't want what could be his last season to be a winless one. He might never catch a pass from Luck, why would he care about that? This entire movement is media and fan driven.
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11-07-2011, 05:14 PM	#19
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1744895	HELL NO /thread
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11-07-2011, 05:24 PM	#21
tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-2064947	We will know if Indy is tanking the season this week. They are playing Jacksonville who is awful (despite their win over the Ravens). If they get blow out by Jacksonville then I will say they are tanking but not until then.
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11-07-2011, 05:26 PM	#22
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $3992680	I would be in favor of it. It gets tiresome seeing the best players going to the same handful of loser-ass franchises every damn year.
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11-07-2011, 05:28 PM	#23
Willie Lanier Veteran Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canton Casino cash: $8767261	No NFL team can afford to intentionally tank, from the front office to the coaching staff to the current players... No thank you to the ping pong balls
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11-07-2011, 05:41 PM	#24
seamonster Veteran Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $3505409	Letting teams like the colts intentionally loose games is pretty **ing stupid if you ask me, much more **ing stupid than the NBA lottery in fact. They've got to do something to mitigate future Colt debacles.
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11-07-2011, 05:45 PM	#25
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11-07-2011, 05:48 PM	#26
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $3992680	I can't believe how many people favor a system that rewards failure and punishes success.
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11-07-2011, 05:52 PM	#27
Backwards Masking Bustle in your hedgerow? Join Date: May 2011 Location: NOT Missouri Casino cash: $10004900	A few weeks ago I would have answered with a resounding "Hell no" - the point that many have made about coaches being on too short a leash to risk losing purposely rings true UNLESS the owner is every bit as gung ho about getting the #1 as the coach is (as I'm now thinking is the case with the Indy owner and Jim Caldwell.) After seeing what the Colts are doing, (I do think it's on purpose at this point - if Caldwell keeps his job after the season anyone who doubts they did it on purpose is a Sucker) I'm going to vote yes, there should a lottery. Even though chances on the first year it's instigated we'll probably finish with the worst record.
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11-07-2011, 06:05 PM	#30
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1744895	I for one, admire the Colts. I wish we had the balls to do this.
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