Pioli has praise for Haley

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/07...for-haley.html

Coach Todd Haley will be moving into the final year of his contract next year, and while general manager Scott Pioli wouldn’t say whether the Chiefs would extend his contract, his comments seemed to indicate they would.

Pioli praised Haley on Monday in an interview with The Kansas City Star.

“I think he’s doing a good job of growing into the job,” Pioli said. “He’s adjusted well to changes in personnel, changes in roster. He’s adjusted well to staff changes. This team has continued to evolve and continued to develop. Players have developed well. That’s Todd and the whole coaching staff.”

Echoing comments made recently by Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt, Pioli also said he has a good relationship with Haley.

“I think it’s a good working relationship. I really do,” Pioli said. “We’re both focused on the same thing, which is winning football games.”

Asked whether they work well enough together to allow the Chiefs to win a Super Bowl, Pioli said yes.

“Absolutely,” Pioli said. “We talk often. Our approach hasn’t changed in terms of the way and the amount of communication from two years ago, a year ago. It’s the same. It hasn’t changed in terms of the volume or anything else.”

Pioli said he meets with Haley regularly during the season to discuss roster needs for upcoming games. The 4-4 Chiefs are tied for first place with Oakland and San Diego in the AFC West and play the 3-5 Broncos on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium.

“We make sure we have solid communication, particularly right after a game, the Monday and the Tuesday,” Pioli said. “We evaluate performance and where we’re at as far as health and where we are for the upcoming game. We’ll talk about the game plan for the upcoming game and then what we’re going to do as far as roster makeup.”

The Chiefs have a regular-season record of 18-22 halfway through Haley’s third season. They finished 4-12 in 2009, his first year with the Chiefs, and then last season went 10-6 and won their first division title in seven years.

This year, the Chiefs started 0-3, losing their first two games by a combined 79 points. By the time they finished their second game of the season, a 48-3 defeat at Detroit, the Chiefs had lost safety Eric Berry, running back Jamaal Charles and tight end Tony Moeaki for the year with knee injuries.

But the Chiefs rallied to win four straight games before falling to 4-4 with Sunday’s 31-3 loss to previously winless Miami.

Pioli indicated he wasn’t tempted to fire Haley or otherwise get discouraged when the Chiefs started the season so poorly.

“I didn’t think that was who we were when we were 0-2, and that’s why I’m not surprised when we were able to continue to improve and begin to play good football,” Pioli said. “What you don’t want to do is get caught up in the dramatic swing of any one game or two games. I don’t think you can evaluate that small a portion of the season. That’s one-eighth of the season.

“I believe we have a good football team and a good coaching staff. We have a good, young football team that is continuing to develop.”

Haley, at his news conference Monday, called the first half of the season “adventurous” for the Chiefs. They’ve been outscored by 70 points even though they’ve won as many games as they’ve lost.

“It’s been a different set of encyclopedias from the start,” Haley said. “Everybody’s had the same challenges, with the lack of offseason and some of those things. I think it has led to a unique year thus far. I said that in training camp, that I thought it would be a wild ride, and it hasn’t disappointed.”

Haley said he hoped the Chiefs’ performances would be more even over the season’s second half. Including the game against Miami, the Chiefs have lost three games by four or more touchdowns.

“Consistency is the key to being a good team or a great team,” Haley said. “Very rarely do you see a team that’s inconsistent be one of the last teams standing. Consistency is going to be one of those things that we’re really going to work hard on in all areas.

“We’ve got a team that’s still developing and still getting better and is still a work in progress. I’m excited about these guys.”

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Laz

Ya, you're right.

We need a great QB to carry our shitty coaching.


i got an idea ... why don't we try and do both, get a better QB and better coaching. Oh ya, nobody wants to talk about that ... only Cassel.

people all over the league are playing with less than franchise type QB's but that's the only thing people around here can bitch about.

I'm just saying:

Packers: With Aaron Rodgers, playoff team. Without, probably not.
Patriots - With Tom Brady, playoff team. Without, not.
Steelers - With Roethlisberger, playoff team. Without, not.
Colts - With Peyton Manning, playoff team. Without, not.
Atlanta - With Matt Ryan, playoff team. Without, not.
Saints - With Drew Brees, playoff team. Without, not.
Chargers - With Philip Rivers, playoff team. Without, not.
Lions - With Matt Stafford, playoff team. Without, not.

The Bengals maybe could be added to this list.

How much impact would a coaching change have on those teams? Pretty ****ng nominal.

The exceptions come with teams who have consistently great team defenses:
Bears
Eagles (not this year, however.)
Ravens

[aturnis]

First of all, your numbers are way off. Belicheat made the most of any H.C. last year at 7.5mil, and the average is much lower.

The average pay for the 32 head coaches in the NFL is $3.25 million annually, according to Bob LaMonte, president and founder of Professional Sports Representation. In 2010, LaMonte represented eight coaches in the league, according to Sports Business Daily. Coaches making the move to an NFL job for the first time average lower salaries, typically around $2 million per year.

Read more: The Average Salary of an NFL Head Coach | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_7572056_av...#ixzz1d8kJu3J0

Your right though, coaching with his son wouldn't be important to him at all. Who knows. His son might have only gotten the job if Charlie came along. Either way, I'd think having an opportunity to coach side by side with his son, and teach him a thing or two along the way would be a pretty rewarding thing to do before he retires a multi-millionaire. Hell, I hope is 20 yrs. I have an opportunity to work alongside my son if he chooses to go into my line of work. You must be underestimating what it means to be someones Dad. You have kids?

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Laz

you've gone off the deep end


how sad

The deep end is where the big boys swim, Mr. Laz. We don't paddle around in the kiddie pool. We're like the sharks. Or the manta ray deals. Or the giant manatees of truth and constancy and honor and fresh blueberry muffins straight out of the oven.

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

I am also fairly sure that you can't use/find anything on that book that would put BB and his boys in a bad light.

We'll know in the next day or so. I pre-ordered it and had it auto-delivered to my iPad, I'm going to try to get through it in the next few days.

[aturnis]

In short Laz. I agree with you that Cassel is a problem. Where we disagree is that I believe even as "good" as he was last year, he is the biggest problem. Whereas, even bad coaching can be overcome by good play, especially by the QB. Our Oline sucks and so does their coaching. True Haley picked that coach, but not only did Pioli sign off on the decision, but he picked the coach who picked that coach. If you are going to push your shit uphill, why stop at Haley?

Haley takes the blame and gets the finger pointed at him, b/c he is the point man for the players. He has meetings with the coordinators as far as gameplans are concerned, but he doesn't come up with and implement them on his own. Sundays defensive gameplan was as much Romeo's as it was Haley's, and that is where this team lost the game on Sunday. Every Dolphin lineman save Vernon Carey graded out positively on Sunday. They stoned Tamba and we got zero pressure. To compensate, we called a whopping total of 5 blitzes on Sunday. That has Romeo written all over it does it not? We let Matt Moore, a terrible passer under pressure, sit back in a perfectly clean pocket ALL DAY LONG, and we paid for it. Not only that, but their lineman were pulling and getting to the second level at will, effectively taking DJ out of the game. We let the Dolphins tired ass offense out scheme us and take our best two defenders in the front seven completely out of the game. We were CRAZY weak at safety for this game and it showed. Not only that, but Marshall had his way with Flowers too.

The defense let the Dolphins drive all day. Even when they managed to make them punt, the ball was consistently inside of the 20yd. line for the offense. The offensive line BLEW like I've never seen before. That is where the OL coaching comes in. You'd think the Oline would know how to pick up a blitz after 3 years in the current system, of course, they don't have Peyton Manning calling out blitzers for them either, b/c Cassel didn't know where the blitz was coming from. Then of course the offense would stall, before it got started, we'd punt, and the Dolphins would begin their drive with GREAT field position. Average started field positions were more than likely WAY different. Bottom line, you don't let the Phins put up 31 points. Period.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Laz

I don't believe it.

After only 8 months, Weis went from coaching in the NFL for 5.2 million a year to being an O.C. in college for 750k a year along with recruiting and all that shit.

How bad would a job have to be to get you to take a 5 million dollar per year pay cut?

no ****ing way

The next-highest average on the NFL coaching staff belongs to offensive and defensive coordinators, who can bring home seven-digit salaries. Marvin Lewis received the first million-dollar contract for a defensive coordinator when he joined the Redskins in 2003. That trend has continued, and most teams have a coordinator earning at least $1 million per year as of 2010.

Some college football HC's make more than some NFL HC's. I'd imagine some coordinators do too. Especially guys with big names like Weiss.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We'll know in the next day or so. I pre-ordered it and had it auto-delivered to my iPad, I'm going to try to get through it in the next few days.

Can't wait. Thanks in advance for any info you deliver...

[whoman69]

This team has talent, probably more than we've had since Vermeil was here. However still big holes in talent that other teams are taking advantage of. I think Haley's talent is in getting players to play up to their capabilities, except perhaps Cassel. Those holes are what is holding us back. The fact that the opposition is only occassionally able to take advantage of us is probably due to the team being coached up. I still don't like the schemes, but again that may be necessitated by the talent. Haley shouldn't be on the hotseat as much as Pioli and ownership.

[DonkyPuncher]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I'm just saying:

Packers: With Aaron Rodgers, playoff team. Without, probably not.
Patriots - With Tom Brady, playoff team. Without, not.
Steelers - With Roethlisberger, playoff team. Without, not.
Colts - With Peyton Manning, playoff team. Without, not.
Atlanta - With Matt Ryan, playoff team. Without, not.
Saints - With Drew Brees, playoff team. Without, not.
Chargers - With Philip Rivers, playoff team. Without, not.
Lions - With Matt Stafford, playoff team. Without, not.

The Bengals maybe could be added to this list.

How much impact would a coaching change have on those teams? Pretty ****ng nominal.

The exceptions come with teams who have consistently great team defenses:
Bears
Eagles (not this year, however.)
Ravens

I agree I think coaching can only be blamed so far, these guys have been playing football their entire lives, how much more could they possibly need coached? They play in the nfl if they don't get it by now then they should go ahead and pursue their career as a gym teacher beings that most of them probably have pys ed degrees.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by whoman69

This team has talent, probably more than we've had since Vermeil was here. However still big holes in talent that other teams are taking advantage of. I think Haley's talent is in getting players to play beyond their capabilities, except perhaps Cassel. Those holes are what is holding us back. The fact that the opposition is only occassionally able to take advantage of us is probably due to the team being coached up. I still don't like the schemes, but again that may be necessitated by the talent. Haley shouldn't be on the hotseat as much as Pioli and ownership.

Fixed it for ya.

[FAX]

Mr. Laz is right. It's a tired, old argument.

Haley has his faults and his detractors focus on those.

Cassel is ... well ... he might be from somewhere near the Pleiades and his alien parents dropped him off here from a great height and he landed on his head ... he has his faults, too, and his detractors will focus on those.

The point of my original post is this; if Pioli has so, so, so much confidence in Haley and such a great working relationship and they are so committed to winning a Superbowl and all ... why in the name of Ms. RednFeisty's tight ass are we so far under the cap, invisible in free agency, and starting one of the worst quarterbacks in the history of the NFL?

That doesn't sound like teamwork to me. Ergo and thus, I claim that Pioli is full of crap.

FAX

[ChiefaRoo]

Originally Posted by FAX

Okay Pioli. How about this? How about giving Haley a quarterback who isn't reading at a fourth grade level and counts with his fingers?

FAX

I have to agree FAX. If KC had a stud QB the entire team would be better on both sides of the ball. If KC had a stud Rush the passer DE and QB this team would contend for the bowl once everyone gets healthy. I'd also like to see a shut down Corner with Flowers matched against the number two receiver and Carr the Nickel with Arenas backing up.

This team is only two or three KEY players away from being damn good.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

I have to agree FAX. If KC had a stud QB the entire team would be better on both sides of the ball. If KC had a stud Rush the passer DE and QB this team would contend for the bowl once everyone gets healthy. I'd also like to see a shut down Corner with Flowers matched against the number two receiver and Carr the Nickel with Arenas backing up.

This team is only two or three KEY players away from being damn good.

I would like a team of Payton Manning, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Tony Gonzalez.

[Okie_Apparition]

Some postions have to be JAG

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

One of the problems that we have is offensive playcalling. It's been the same with Haley at the helm. Last year it was good because we had JC. Without JC, we are back to the same horrible, predictable calls.

It's clear that Haley is running the offense whether we want to admit it or not. He's not willing to change it. That is a problem.

He's good with developing players. That. Is. It.

Managing games, adjusting strategies, two minute offense, etc are all horrible.

He has not had a true signature win since he came here. We either beat shitty teams or have people like Phillip Rivers give us games.

I am starting to believe that his success in AZ were due to Whisenhunt and Kurt.

2009 Pittsburgh @ KC