Books Book Review: War Room - The Legacy of Bill Belichick/Art of Building Perfect Team

Nightfyre · 11-09-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

Like or dislike Pioli and how he is trying to build a franchise? Apparently you admire Bellicheck or wouldnt read the books. How close does Pioli follow the lead in making player decisions? And is Pioli making the same type of moves? Obviously different situations. any similarities? Probably should get the books to make my own point of view.

Pioli and Belichick were completely willing to argue about their players. My understanding is that they were both very independent. However, if they flat-out disagree on a player, they agreed not to draft them. Evidently this arrangement went by the wayside in the 2006 draft as both Maroney and Jackson had major question marks from the scouting side. However, McDaniels swayed Belichick into drafting them despite reservations by Pioli and the scouts. The scouts were miffed that Belichick would throw away their work for the opinion of the offensive coordinator.

Iconic · 11-09-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Pioli and Belichick were completely willing to argue about their players. My understanding is that they were both very independent. However, if they flat-out disagree on a player, they agreed not to draft them. Evidently this arrangement went by the wayside in the 2006 draft as both Maroney and Jackson had major question marks from the scouting side. However, McDaniels swayed Belichick into drafting them despite reservations by Pioli and the scouts. The scouts were miffed that Belichick would throw away their work for the opinion of the offensive coordinator.

Both of them were absolute busts weren't they?

Nightfyre · 11-09-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

Both of them were absolute busts weren't they?

Hehe. Josh McDaniels sucks at player evaluation. that is all.

Iconic · 11-09-2011, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Hehe. Josh McDaniels sucks at player evaluation. that is all.

Yeah just looked it up. Maroney is a free agent and Chad Jackson is playing Arena Football...

But this also proves that Pioli knows exactly what he's doing on Draft day.

Trust In Pioli.

Amnorix · 11-09-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

Both of them were absolute busts weren't they?

Jackson was a complete bust.

Maroney sucked, but wasn't a COMPLETE bust. He at least saw the playing field some etc. But yeah, both were very bad picks relative to where they were taken.

Nightfyre · 11-09-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Jackson was a complete bust.

Maroney sucked, but wasn't a COMPLETE bust. He at least saw the playing field some etc. But yeah, both were very bad picks relative to where they were taken.

Given the drafting conducted by the patriots in 2010 and 2011, would you say Pioli was the brain, Belichick was the brain, or they were both the brain?

Amnorix · 11-09-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Given the drafting conducted by the patriots in 2010 and 2011, would you say Pioli was the brain, Belichick was the brain, or they were both the brain?

I'd say both.

The Pats had, generally, good to great drafts from 2001-05. '06-'08 were by and large very bad. Partly because some of those draft classes were weak, but partly because the Pats made very poor picks.

Lately they have been better.

What is STUNNINGLY clear is that the Patriots, both before/after Pioli, can't seem to figure out what a good DB prospect looks like. We have invested a MOUNTAIN of high picks and many of them are gone now, as complete busts. It's horrible.