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Old 11-13-2011, 05:52 PM  
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Blow This Team Up
This team is an embarrassment. They have the built in excuse of the early injuries to stars suffered, but there are far more holes than that. If Scott Pioli isn't willing to put a good team on the field, he should be fired. The AFC West is horribly bad and we are fighting for last. Additionally Crennel's scheme is awful. They get no QB pressure in a league where QB pressure is key. They play the bend, don't break run defense, which is as effective as the prevent defense is against the pass. We should turn over at least 15 plays next year. IMO all these players should not be in a Chiefs uniform next year:

Matt Cassel
Anthony Becht
Amon Gordon
Kelly Gregg
Tyson Jackson
Thomas Jones
Ryan Lilja
Dexter McCluster
Jon McGraw
Jake O'Connell
Sabby Piscatelli
Barry Richardson
Casey Wiegmann
Demorrio Williams

I'm giving a benefit of the doubt to some of our younger players.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:11 PM   #61
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Typical overreactionary bullshit after a horrible loss. OH NOES CUTZ THE WHOLE TEAMZ OMG!!!!!! Gotta love the Planet.
Nobody said cut the WHOLE team. Well, besides me of course, but I'm never serious about this crap.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:12 PM   #62
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:13 PM   #63
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Nobody said cut the WHOLE team. Well, besides me of course, but I'm never serious about this crap.
The thread title says blow it up. I don't consider cutting a bunch of scrubs blowing the team up, so I should have read some more posts and no I didn't post what I did due to your post.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:50 PM   #64
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The thread title says blow it up. I don't consider cutting a bunch of scrubs blowing the team up, so I should have read some more posts and no I didn't post what I did due to your post.
Looks like you didn't even read the first post. Cutting 14-15 players is a pretty significant change. I'm not going to blame this team's crapitude on special teamers or practice squad guys.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:51 PM   #65
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Looks like you didn't even read the first post. Cutting 14-15 players is a pretty significant change. I'm not going to blame this team's crapitude on special teamers or practice squad guys.
I will. The fact that some of those guys are having to play significant minutes def. means they should get some of the heat.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:13 PM   #66
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:02 PM   #67
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Pretty good take but I can't agree on Lilja. He's not going to accept being a backup, and is not good enough to be a starter.
This is pure speculation on your part.

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You say that the D-Line needs help but yet you want to retrain everyone except Gregg. Dorsey and Jackson have been a little better against the run, but we get no pressure on a pass rush.
That is because Gordon is solid depth that can play both NT/DE.
You will also note I call for exploration of a Dorsey trade. I also state that Gilberry needs to be evaluated on an ongoing basis. Bailey, Bair and Powe are project players. It does us no good to cut them.

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I would call Belcher serviceable, but not an every down LB like he is now. We need someone better in coverage to free up DJ to blitz occassionally.
You're right. We need our safety back and some safety depth. Your banger won't be in on passing situations and Belcher typically isn't, if you watch closely. He's subbed out for a nickel package.

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We come up with about the same # of players to be replaced. We can only fix some of this in the draft. This team is going to need to get off its pocketbook and spend within 7 figures of the cap, not 8. I see the defense as hit and miss. I know Berry fixes a lot of evils, but Crennel needs to go. You need to scheme for the personnel that you have. Your front four has one person that can bring pressure.
I think Crennel's scheme is outdated. However, the loss of Berry has a HUGE impact on the flexibility within his scheme and it's hard to use this year as a judge of how effective his scheme can be given that fact. More than anything, this defense needs more lineman who can collapse the pocket, and who can do it consistently. More importantly and an oft-overlooked aspect of free agent spending: THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY IMPACT FA'S FOR US TO BUY. Just saying.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:16 PM   #68
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The defense needs:

A. For Berry to come back healthy and get back to where he was. He will just hope its sooner than later.

B. A NT who can push the pocket and demand double teams. A massive run stuffing NT fixes the dline and probably the ILB's.

C. Depth. Draft/sign the best players available.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:21 PM   #69
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We'll see another safety drafted, next year, a mirror for DJ, and the usual suspects. Don't see us drafting a QB in rd 1. Sorry.
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I'd like to see Upshaw or Hightower from Bama added to this defense.
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We'll see another safety drafted, next year, a mirror for DJ, and the usual suspects. Don't see us drafting a QB in rd 1. Sorry.
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Old 11-14-2011, 10:17 PM   #72
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This team is an embarrassment. They have the built in excuse of the early injuries to stars suffered, but there are far more holes than that. If Scott Pioli isn't willing to put a good team on the field, he should be fired. The AFC West is horribly bad and we are fighting for last. Additionally Crennel's scheme is awful. They get no QB pressure in a league where QB pressure is key. They play the bend, don't break run defense, which is as effective as the prevent defense is against the pass. We should turn over at least 15 plays next year. IMO all these players should not be in a Chiefs uniform next year:

Matt Cassel
Anthony Becht
Amon Gordon
Kelly Gregg
Tyson Jackson
Thomas Jones
Ryan Lilja
Dexter McCluster
Jon McGraw
Jake O'Connell
Sabby Piscatelli
Barry Richardson
Casey Wiegmann
Demorrio Williams

I'm giving a benefit of the doubt to some of our younger players.
I agree with some of these guys on your list, as I'm sure the organization does as well. Piscatelli, Wiegman, and Lilja aren't pulling weight. McCluster is about as close to being a bust as one guy can get without officially being labeled. O'Connell and McGraw are pretty useless, and Jones is just well past his prime. I wouldn't call that blowing up the team though.

As you stated, the youth gets the benefit of the doubt. If they started cutting all of those guys, that would blow the team up and would be a horrible idea.

P.S. I don't hate Cassel as much as everyone around here seems to, but he's not getting the job done. There are a lot of drops and bad protection that aren't his fault, but I'm starting to understand what you guys are saying. I don't think he's the answer, and he's definitely vastly overpaid.
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