Chiefs I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley - Page 8

**RealSNR** · 11-22-2011, 12:15 AM

Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL.

He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter).

Hiring Bill Muir was a ****ing shitfest.

Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever.

Not figuring out how to stop Tim ****ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN.

Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces

And there are so many more.

He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team.

He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch.

Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty ****ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.

Okie_Apparition · 11-22-2011, 09:55 AM

If Haley is the dead man walking, the media has played him out to be. There is no point getting personnel that fits his scheme. When the next HC may go in another direction with personnel needs.

Then again, he should have been canned already instead of wasting a year

Chiefs Pantalones · 11-22-2011, 09:56 AM

I just want this team wiped out, everyone including the head coach, except for the good players obviously. Pioli isn't going anywhere though. I have never wanted to give up on a regime so fast since the Herm days. And, sadly, that wasn't that long ago. One day we'll get it right.

Mr. Laz · 11-22-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Weis' son is angling for a Graduate position which generally means coaching opportunities in the future. Weis himself said that's why he was leaving.

We both know about the personalities. But to say that Haley "ran him off" is speculation and that's it.

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

Mr. Laz · 11-22-2011, 09:56 AM

wow ... where have i heard all this stuff before?

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I hated the Haley hire at the time. He's done some things to win me over.

However, like I said in the coaching thread I started a few weeks back, he appears to be in over his head as a HC. Perhaps with some quality veteran coordinators that are capable of guiding Haley, he can succeed right now.

I think the truly great coaches have gone over game time scenarios so many times on paper, in their head, and in practice that making the right decision becomes instinct. Taking last night's game as an example, the choice to not go for it on 4th and short in NE territory, followed by going for an onside kick. The guys that truly understand what they want to do know to choose that 4th down chance in lieu of attempting an onside that was clearly planned.

I wouldn't be surprised if Haley becomes a good HC somewhere down the line, but he doesn't have a HC mindset yet.

Once again you pretty well summed up how I feel about it.

lcarus · 11-22-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

wow ... where have i heard all this stuff before?

Chiefs Planet

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

Except that Weis said that he was leaving to go be with his son. I guess the guy is a liar...

**the Talking Can** · 11-22-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Except that Weis said that he was leaving to go be with his son. I guess the guy is a liar...

politicians do it all the time

"i'm leaving to spend more time with my family..."

**kysirsoze** · 11-22-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

Except for that's what he said multiple times. In fact he refuted the claim that his relationship with Haley was his reason for leaving. You can choose not to believe him but that's far more speculative than believing one of the few people who had any first hand knowledge of the situation.

Okie_Apparition · 11-22-2011, 10:04 AM

How come the mighty Weis made Croyle look even worse
The Baltimore Croyle(Haley) vs the San Diego Croyle(Weis) was quite a drop off

**kysirsoze** · 11-22-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

politicians do it all the time

"i'm leaving to spend more time with my family..."

And people choose to believe the more scandalous story all the time as well. There were never any credible sources cited that I saw to support the story of Weis leaving because of Haley, but people jumped on board with it as soon as the first hack writer spit it out.

Pioli hates Haley, too. Haven't you heard? That's why he's still the HC when most of the media thinks he should have been fired weeks ago.

Mr. Laz · 11-22-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Except for that's what he said multiple times. In fact he refuted the claim that his relationship with Haley was his reason for leaving. You can choose not to believe him but that's far more speculative than believing one of the few people who had any first hand knowledge of the situation.

what else is he going to say?

Is he going to tell every employer out there that he quit because he couldn't get along? Is he going to 'air dirty laundry' and Pioli and every other GM know that he can't keep his mouth shut about internal issues?

I bet you believe the 'dreaded vote of confidence' every time too.

keep defending your boy though ...

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

politicians do it all the time

"i'm leaving to spend more time with my family..."

And people automatically jump to the opposite conclusion all the time too...

My point is NOT that Weis definitively left because he wanted to go to Florida.

It's that there's ZERO proof that Haley "ran him off".

Reality is that he left and we have no idea in the end why he did. It's ALL speculation.

**kysirsoze** · 11-22-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

what else is he going to say?

Is he going to tell every employer out there that he quit because he couldn't get along? Is he going to 'air dirty laundry' and Pioli and every other GM know that he can't keep his mouth shut about internal issues?

I bet you believe the 'dreaded vote of confidence' every time too.

keep defending your boy though ...

I'm not saying it's impossible. You said the story that everyone involved has told is more speculative than something thought up by a sports columnist. That's outrageous.

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I'm not saying it's impossible. You said the story that everyone involved has told is more speculative than something thought up by a sports columnist. That's outrageous.

Haley ran him off. That's the only possible conclusion. Keep defending your boyfriend though!

11-22-2011, 12:15 AM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1544792	I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL. He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter). Hiring Bill Muir was a **ing shitfest. Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever. Not figuring out how to stop Tim ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN. Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces And there are so many more. He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team. He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch. Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty **ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.
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Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	How come the mighty Weis made Croyle look even worse The Baltimore Croyle(Haley) vs the San Diego Croyle(Weis) was quite a drop off
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