I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley

[RealSNR]

Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL.

He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter).

Hiring Bill Muir was a ****ing shitfest.

Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever.

Not figuring out how to stop Tim ****ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN.

Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces

And there are so many more.

He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team.

He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch.

Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty ****ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by eric007

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The server would melt if that happened...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Buffalo? No.

Detroit? No.

Miami? No.

New England? No.

Four of our six losses the defense sucked horse cock.

They also tried to give the game away in Indianapolis. Fortunately the offense bailed them out.

This is not a good defense, and wasn't last year when it mattered in the playoffs.

The Detroit and Buffalo game, we have no idea how well they would have played if they were actually prepared. That was easily a preparation issue. Everyone looked gassed. The New England game, the defense played well enough in the first half to keep the team in the game. You're not going to keep Tom Brady silent for two halves. We don't have an elite defense, but as I said, in most games, they do enough to give the offense a fighting chance to win. It was definitely our offense that lost the game against New England. And in Baltimore, you're using the score to justify your point. Our defense played solid that game. You forget that we were winning in the first half. We lost that game because our passing game (despite Baltimore throwing 8 guys in the box) couldn't move the ball whatsoever, and because McCluster and Cassel committed two key turnovers early in the 2nd half that gave Baltimore prime field position.

And again, you're assuming the defense is on Haley. I blame Pioli for hiring Crennel and jamming a 3-4 onto him.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Detroit and Buffalo game, we have no idea how well they would have played if they were actually prepared. That was easily a preparation issue. Everyone looked gassed. The New England game, the defense played well enough in the first half to keep the team in the game. You're not going to keep Tom Brady silent for two halves. We don't have an elite defense, but as I said, in most games, they do enough to give the offense a fighting chance to win. It was definitely our offense that lost the game against New England. And in Baltimore, you're using the score to justify your point. Our defense played solid that game. You forget that we were winning in the first half. We lost that game because our passing game (despite Baltimore throwing 8 guys in the box) couldn't move the ball whatsoever, and because McCluster and Cassel committed two key turnovers early in the 2nd half that gave Baltimore prime field position.

And again, you're assuming the defense is on Haley. I blame Pioli for hiring Crennel and jamming a 3-4 onto him.

This whole thing has passed the absurdity threshold. Some people are merely looking for any reason to bolster their point of view. Everybody knows that, when a defense spends as much time on the field as ours does, you're going to have problems. When you add in the field position issue, the enemy has every reason to put 40 on your ass.

Grampa Dick used to complain that the offense scored too fast, which put pressure on the defense. Nowadays, it's because the offense is a 3-and-out machine.

On account of our record and the blowout losses, people are going to hate Haley regardless of the facts or the truth or the actualityness of the situation. I, on the other hand, prefer to reserve my unreasonable and irrational hate for Cassel and his family.

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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Correlation has something to say about causation. Did Herm really coach up Jared Allen?

I didn't say they got better BECAUSE of Haley.

But they did get better while he was here, did they not?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Better yet... why did we lose to Baltimore? Primarily because of negative QB play..

KC lost to Baltimore because nobody on D could cover Todd Heap. Dex's fumble. Charles' fumble. Not getting the ball to Bowe in the first half and a ridiculous 4th down call by an OC who had mailed it in 3 weeks prior. And then, once Baltimore got the lead Cassel folded under pressure in the 2nd half.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

KC lost to Baltimore because nobody on D could cover Todd Heap. Dex's fumble. Charles' fumble. Not getting the ball to Bowe in the first half and a ridiculous 4th down call by an OC who had mailed it in 3 weeks prior. And then, once Baltimore got the lead Cassel folded under pressure in the 2nd half.

That pretty much sums it up....

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Correlation has something to say about causation. Did Herm really coach up Jared Allen?

OK, so he gets credit for the bad but not the good. How does that make sense? Haley made high profile moves regarding Bowe and Johnson and they both responded by playing at the next level. Credit where it's due, man.

[chiefzilla1501]

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Originally Posted by FAX

This whole thing has passed the absurdity threshold. Some people are merely looking for any reason to bolster their point of view. Everybody knows that, when a defense spends as much time on the field as ours does, you're going to have problems. When you add in the field position issue, the enemy has every reason to put 40 on your ass.

Grampa Dick used to complain that the offense scored too fast, which put pressure on the defense. Nowadays, it's because the offense is a 3-and-out machine.

On account of our record and the blowout losses, people are going to hate Haley regardless of the facts or the truth or the actualityness of the situation. I, on the other hand, prefer to reserve my unreasonable and irrational hate for Cassel and his family.

FAX

Its absurd
The same people who say we can't win without a franchise qb let alone a qb who nnegatively contributes...
The same people who say Clark hunt is shortchanging this team of talent by being cheap...
The same people who blast pioli for screwing up the qb, nt, pass rusher and for being a bad gm....
These are the same people who grill Haley for losing despite being shortchanged of talent especially at qb and nt. When things go wrong the first instinct is to blame everybody.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I didn't say they got better BECAUSE of Haley.

But they did get better while he was here, did they not?

Fo shooooo.

Haley's definitely not Rich Kotite. He's also not Bill Walsh. To me, he's just a guy. Yeah, he got a bit of a raw deal with the Cassel thing, but that's balanced out by the fact that I'm not sure he was really ready or competent enough to be a HC.

If he gets canned, it won't bother me. If he stays, it won't bother

I will say this: if we do draft a QB in the first (I'm still pessimistic), I'd much rather have Haley than some retread defensive coach (John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, etc.) who loathes the thought of developing a young QB and just wants someone to manage the game.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Fo shooooo.

Haley's definitely not Rich Kotite. He's also not Bill Walsh. To me, he's just a guy. Yeah, he got a bit of a raw deal with the Cassel thing, but that's balanced out by the fact that I'm not sure he was really ready or competent enough to be a HC.

If he gets canned, it won't bother me. If he stays, it won't bother

I will say this: if we do draft a QB in the first (I'm still pessimistic), I'd much rather have Haley than some retread defensive coach (John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, etc.) who loathes the thought of developing a young QB and just wants someone to manage the game.

Yup yup.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

KC lost to Baltimore because nobody on D could cover Todd Heap. Dex's fumble. Charles' fumble. Not getting the ball to Bowe in the first half and a ridiculous 4th down call by an OC who had mailed it in 3 weeks prior. And then, once Baltimore got the lead Cassel folded under pressure in the 2nd half.

An average qb keeps us in that game. Period. We were competitive in every phase of the game except our d bag quarterback. Our defense did more than enough to win. Our offense crippled them.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

OK, so he gets credit for the bad but not the good. How does that make sense? Haley made high profile moves regarding Bowe and Johnson and they both responded by playing at the next level. Credit where it's due, man.

???

I'm not saying he only gets credit for the losses or bad outcomes but not the good, I'm saying that to assume that those players improved solely because of Haley is a logical misstep.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Fo shooooo.

Haley's definitely not Rich Kotite. He's also not Bill Walsh. To me, he's just a guy. Yeah, he got a bit of a raw deal with the Cassel thing, but that's balanced out by the fact that I'm not sure he was really ready or competent enough to be a HC.

If he gets canned, it won't bother me. If he stays, it won't bother

I will say this: if we do draft a QB in the first (I'm still pessimistic), I'd much rather have Haley than some retread defensive coach (John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, etc.) who loathes the thought of developing a young QB and just wants someone to manage the game.

Shortchanged on cassel, by a cheap owner, by a gm who forced his system onto the clay instead of letting the coach run his system. Haley is the definition of being handcuffed. But in the process, players have gotten much better under his watch, they respect him deeply, and they stay disciplined enough to work hard and stay in shape for training camp.

I don't know his ceiling. Maybe its low. But he's shown tremendous upside and he deserves a shot at doing things his way instead of the gm jamming the patriot way down his throat.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

An average qb keeps us in that game. Period. We were competitive in every phase of the game except our d bag quarterback. Our defense did more than enough to win. Our offense crippled them.

How many yards did Charles have in the 2nd half? Baltimore's first possession of the game led to points and about 5 minutes of the clock being chewed up. I agree the offense was bad - but it was bad all around. Drives ended with bad playcalling, and fumbles by players other than Cassel. Did Cassel melt under pressure toward the end - sure, he always does. But to ignore the playcalling, lack of productivity by Charles in the 2nd half, and turnovers by other players is just ignorant. But I know, with any other QB the team is a playoff contender.*

* Except Tyler Palko.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

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Its absurd
The same people who say we can't win without a franchise qb let alone a qb who nnegatively contributes...
The same people who say Clark hunt is shortchanging this team of talent by being cheap...
The same people who blast pioli for screwing up the qb, nt, pass rusher and for being a bad gm....
These are the same people who grill Haley for losing despite being shortchanged of talent especially at qb and nt. When things go wrong the first instinct is to blame everybody.

It's human nature, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

It's like those people who blame the iceberg for the Titanic. Or, those people who blame the New Orleans flood on backed up sewers. Or, those people who blame Torgo for tying up The Master's wife to that pole.

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