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Old 11-22-2011, 12:15 AM  
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I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley
Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL.

He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter).

Hiring Bill Muir was a ****ing shitfest.

Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever.

Not figuring out how to stop Tim ****ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN.

Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces

And there are so many more.

He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team.

He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch.

Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty ****ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:39 AM   #226
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I'm not saying he only gets credit for the losses or bad outcomes but not the good, I'm saying that to assume that those players improved solely because of Haley is a logical misstep.
Well assuming anyone ever improves as a player due to one factor is a logical misstep. I'm saying any reasonable person will look at what took place during those camps and give him a large share of the credit, especially when you hear those players talk about him. It's more than simple correlation.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:40 AM   #227
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I'm not saying he only gets credit for the losses or bad outcomes but not the good, I'm saying that to assume that those players improved solely because of Haley is a logical misstep.
Fat players show up on time and in shape to camp. Putting bowe and dj in the doghouse had clear impact. Managing hali and Albert on their weight has elevated their games. Bowe is taking his game seriously enough to attend fitz's camp. He did a very good of managing bowe and Baldwin's offseason distractions. And players are resigning for cheap, indicating they love playing for him. The most important quality of a head coach is to manage the team especially their attitude. He has done that in spades and I appreciate his creativeness to do it.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:46 AM   #228
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I would just like to see what Haley could do with a good quarterback ... not even a great one ... just a good, decent quarterback who can go through his progressions, throw a good, accurate pass in the 10 to 40 yard range, and demonstrate decent pocket presence.

I honestly believe that, given his knowledge of the passing game, he could do some very interesting things with a guy like that.

I'll probably never get the chance to see it, though.

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Old 11-23-2011, 08:52 AM   #229
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How many yards did Charles have in the 2nd half? Baltimore's first possession of the game led to points and about 5 minutes of the clock being chewed up. I agree the offense was bad - but it was bad all around. Drives ended with bad playcalling, and fumbles by players other than Cassel. Did Cassel melt under pressure toward the end - sure, he always does. But to ignore the playcalling, lack of productivity by Charles in the 2nd half, and turnovers by other players is just ignorant. But I know, with any other QB the team is a playoff contender.*

* Except Tyler Palko.
You're looking at the stats. Not what actually happened on the field.

Second half
Drive 1: we get to the 34 yard line. Charles doesn't convert on a 4th and 1. Mostly effective drive. By the way, main reason we didn't get a first down on that drive was because Charles dropped an easy dump-off pass on first down.
Baltimore fg - 13-7

Drive 2:
Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intentional grounding on first down. 2nd and 20 -- sacked for -5 yards. 3rd and 25 -- McCluster fumbles. Uh... yeah, you think the QB and not the coaching is to blame here?
Baltimore fg (gifted to them) - 16-7

Drive 3:
Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intercepted on the second play of the drive. SECOND PLAY.
Baltimore td (gifted to them) - 23-7

But yeah, let's blame the defense and coaching for this loss. That's an easy excuse. The Chiefs were in this game and then two boneheaded drives by the QB led to a 10 point swing that put the game out of reach.
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:59 AM   #230
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You're looking at the stats. Not what actually happened on the field.

Second half
Drive 1: we get to the 34 yard line. Charles doesn't convert on a 4th and 1. Mostly effective drive. By the way, main reason we didn't get a first down on that drive was because Charles dropped an easy dump-off pass on first down.
Baltimore fg - 13-7

Drive 2:
Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intentional grounding on first down. 2nd and 20 -- sacked for -5 yards. 3rd and 25 -- McCluster fumbles. Uh... yeah, you think the QB and not the coaching is to blame here?
Baltimore fg (gifted to them) - 16-7

Drive 3:
Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intercepted on the second play of the drive. SECOND PLAY.
Baltimore td (gifted to them) - 23-7

But yeah, let's blame the defense and coaching for this loss. That's an easy excuse. The Chiefs were in this game and then two boneheaded drives by the QB led to a 10 point swing that put the game out of reach.
Ouch.

Anybody else's testicles hurt all of a sudden?

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I don't know his ceiling. Maybe its low. But he's shown tremendous upside and he deserves a shot at doing things his way instead of the gm jamming the patriot way down his throat.
He hasn't, really.

He continues to show he's a sideline hothead who can't co exist with a quality OC.

That alone is reason enough to can his ass.

His upside is becoming a good offensive coordinator.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:44 AM   #232
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Fo shooooo.

Haley's definitely not Rich Kotite. He's also not Bill Walsh. To me, he's just a guy. Yeah, he got a bit of a raw deal with the Cassel thing, but that's balanced out by the fact that I'm not sure he was really ready or competent enough to be a HC.

If he gets canned, it won't bother me. If he stays, it won't bother

I will say this: if we do draft a QB in the first (I'm still pessimistic), I'd much rather have Haley than some retread defensive coach (John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, etc.) who loathes the thought of developing a young QB and just wants someone to manage the game.
I sort of agree with this. It wouldn't be horrible.

But even with a franchise QB I still get the heebie jeebies that Haley would do something dumb in a close game in the playoffs.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:46 AM   #233
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And again, you're assuming the defense is on Haley. I blame Pioli for hiring Crennel and jamming a 3-4 onto him.
He's the ****ing head coach.

We're running the worst McDonalds in town and you want to blame the fry cook and the register biscuits instead of the manager.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:47 AM   #234
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You're looking at the stats. Not what actually happened on the field.

Second half
Drive 1: we get to the 34 yard line. Charles doesn't convert on a 4th and 1. Mostly effective drive. By the way, main reason we didn't get a first down on that drive was because Charles dropped an easy dump-off pass on first down.
Baltimore fg - 13-7

Drive 2:
Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intentional grounding on first down. 2nd and 20 -- sacked for -5 yards. 3rd and 25 -- McCluster fumbles. Uh... yeah, you think the QB and not the coaching is to blame here?
Baltimore fg (gifted to them) - 16-7

Drive 3:
Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intercepted on the second play of the drive. SECOND PLAY.
Baltimore td (gifted to them) - 23-7

But yeah, let's blame the defense and coaching for this loss. That's an easy excuse. The Chiefs were in this game and then two boneheaded drives by the QB led to a 10 point swing that put the game out of reach.
This is kind of how we lose a lot of games. We stay competitive and fierce for awhile, then something happens and we just go into a shell and get raped for a couple of quarters.
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He hasn't, really.

He continues to show he's a sideline hothead who can't co exist with a quality OC.

That alone is reason enough to can his ass.

His upside is becoming a good offensive coordinator.
Weiss left on his own volition. What other quality OC has there been, or rumored to have been?
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I sort of agree with this. It wouldn't be horrible.

But even with a franchise QB I still get the heebie jeebies that Haley would do something dumb in a close game in the playoffs.
Actually Haley's problem isn't losing close games. It's getting blown out. A case could be made that blowout loses reflect talent deficiencies.
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Weiss left on his own volition. What other quality OC has there been, or rumored to have been?
Chan Gailey.

We would be far better off with that guy coaching this team. At any position.

Plus, we didn't even try to hire an OC this past offseason. Haley didn't even practice due diligence. Muir is a farce of a hire.
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A case could be made that blowout loses reflect talent deficiencies.
Bullshit. The #1 symptom of blowout losses is not being adequately prepared. This is the modern NFL. Shitty teams are competing with good teams every week because of parity.

You people don't want to blame Haley for ANYTHING.
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He hasn't, really.

He continues to show he's a sideline hothead who can't co exist with a quality OC.

That alone is reason enough to can his ass.

His upside is becoming a good offensive coordinator.
Gailey didn't run his system. Weis never understood that his role was to ne a coordinator not the head coach. I personally don't believe Haley had much choice with either. And I personally believe Muir was hired because pioli didn't want Haley calling plays.

Pioli has to quit being a control freak and let his coaches coach. Isn't it clear Haley wants to call plays? Then freaking let him.
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He's the ****ing head coach.

We're running the worst McDonalds in town and you want to blame the fry cook and the register biscuits instead of the manager.
You can't blame the manager if the owner is hiring crackheads and stokers to cook your food. I blame pioli for 90% of this mess.
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