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**bevischief** · 11-30-2011, 09:29 AM

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What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST

From the FanPosts -Joel

As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III.

However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy.

Star-divide
Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin.

So what's the problem? There are several:

1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck.

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF?

3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one.

4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged.

5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity.

6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else.

7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm.

So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects.

Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.

ILChief · 11-30-2011, 09:32 PM

I am all for drafting a qb but it needs to be the right qb. I don't want to be like Minnesota last year and reach for a qb like ponder. Now this year they will be in position to grab Barkley but likely won't since they reached for ponder last year.

milkman · 11-30-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

look a rookie qb is not coming in and giving u a winning season so everyone stop crying about drafting a qb

Who the **** is talking about a season?

We are talking about filling the most important position in team sports for 12 to 15 years.

I bet those Colt fans are still pissed about that losing season in 1999.

O.city · 11-30-2011, 09:36 PM

If we draft a qb in the first, he will be surrounded by a more talented team than any of the first rounders from last year are.

It's time.

ILChief · 11-30-2011, 09:40 PM

I am starting to see mock drafts with tannehill going in the mid first round. There could be a run on qb early. We really need to get ahead of Miami, washington, and Seattle

O.city · 11-30-2011, 09:41 PM

It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).

ILChief · 11-30-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).

If we get ahead of those teams we should be able to get barkley

JCharles1981 · 11-30-2011, 10:13 PM

Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

kcxiv · 11-30-2011, 10:15 PM

We dont need a Cowher as coach, not at all, we need a front office and a Head Coach that want to TRY to draft that franchise qb. Once that is filled (yes, i know its not easy) or at least take a shot at filling it, the rest will fall into place.

NJChiefsFan · 11-30-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).

Also every team in front of us is a team that could trade down to a team like WAS or MIA. We know MIA really wants one, atleast the owner does. I doubt KC moves up so to me every team above us is a threat to take a QB even if its just them trading to a team that wants one.

jd1020 · 11-30-2011, 10:18 PM

TBH, Pioli has yet to be given the opportunity to draft a QB with what people would say has franchise potential.

JCharles1981 · 11-30-2011, 10:19 PM

Cowher did take a chance on Ben Rothlisberger. Even though he has yet to win a Superbowl MVP honor, he did help the Steelers get to 2 Superbowls, the first with Cowher as Head Coach.

Three7s · 11-30-2011, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Steve Bono were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

FYP

You may think Trent Green was "failed", but he was more than good enough to get us to a SB.

**BossChief** · 11-30-2011, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Flynn is the only backup from another team I'd be OK with - and only if we found a way to give Tom Clements the OC and QB coach position.

I think Clements would have been a great hire as OC....LAST YEAR.

Its too bad we had Cassel....I bet we called and he LOLd.

BTW to those that aren't aware of Clements history in KC...

Clements was a quarterback for us awhile ago and was actually a coach for us not too long ago. QB coach in 2000

So, he has history with the organization.

Epic Fail 007 · 11-30-2011, 10:23 PM

WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

**BossChief** · 11-30-2011, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007

WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

Clark wrote those checks, dumbass.

Cassel is Pioli's pet.

11-30-2011, 09:29 AM
bevischief .... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Kansas Casino cash: $7729352 VARSITY	What If The QBOTF Isn't There? http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/1...here#storyjump What If The QBOTF Isn't There? 1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST From the FanPosts -Joel As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III. However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy. Star-divide Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin. So what's the problem? There are several: 1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck. 2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF? 3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one. 4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged. 5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity. 6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else. 7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm. So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects. Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.
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11-30-2011, 09:32 PM	#121
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7764831	I am all for drafting a qb but it needs to be the right qb. I don't want to be like Minnesota last year and reach for a qb like ponder. Now this year they will be in position to grab Barkley but likely won't since they reached for ponder last year.
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11-30-2011, 09:36 PM	#123
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	If we draft a qb in the first, he will be surrounded by a more talented team than any of the first rounders from last year are. It's time.
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11-30-2011, 09:40 PM	#124
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7764831	I am starting to see mock drafts with tannehill going in the mid first round. There could be a run on qb early. We really need to get ahead of Miami, washington, and Seattle
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11-30-2011, 09:41 PM	#125
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).
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11-30-2011, 10:13 PM	#127
JCharles1981 Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $10005489	Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's. The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.
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11-30-2011, 10:15 PM	#128
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	We dont need a Cowher as coach, not at all, we need a front office and a Head Coach that want to TRY to draft that franchise qb. Once that is filled (yes, i know its not easy) or at least take a shot at filling it, the rest will fall into place.
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11-30-2011, 10:18 PM	#130
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $6892645	TBH, Pioli has yet to be given the opportunity to draft a QB with what people would say has franchise potential.
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11-30-2011, 10:19 PM	#131
JCharles1981 Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $10005489	Cowher did take a chance on Ben Rothlisberger. Even though he has yet to win a Superbowl MVP honor, he did help the Steelers get to 2 Superbowls, the first with Cowher as Head Coach.
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11-30-2011, 10:23 PM	#134
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