Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites?

[BossChief]

I would rather have us hire Romeo Crennel than hire Jeff Fisher.

It took a miracle and a blown call for his team to have ever even gotten to the superbowl.

Other than that, he was a poor mans Marty Schottenheimer.

You know who I think would be a fantastic hire (if he wasnt old as dirt)?

Dick Vermiel.

Think of Vermiels offense with this defense to back it up.

I bet Dick could make Stanzi a rockstar...a 23 year old Trent Green would be nice to have.

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You know who I think would be a fantastic hire (if he wasnt old as dirt)?

Dick Vermiel.

Think of Vermiels offense with this defense (Romeo Crennel) to back it up.

I bet Dick could make Stanzi a rockstar...a 23 year old Trent Green would be nice to have.

I have to respectfully disagree. The Chiefs have been blown out 5 times this year, and it wasn't all the offense's fault. If the defense were at the top of their game during all 5 of those same games, I imagine they would have only lost by a couple of TD's. Crennel still has some kinks to work out before anyone can assume he can get them back up to the level of the Gunther Cunningham defense of the late 90's.

As far as Dick Vermeil, during his 5 year run as the Chiefs' HC, he was primarily offensive-minded and did little to improve the defense (the defense sucked during the Vermeil years), which would explain why 4 out of those 5 years the team failed to make the playoffs, three of them being with losing or un-winning (8-8) win-loss records. Honestly, the Head Coaching is not the problem overall, it's the entire Chiefs' personnel that needs revamping since they have yet to obtain both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in the same season.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

I have to respectfully disagree. The Chiefs have been blown out 5 times this year, and it wasn't all the offense's fault. If the defense were at the top of their game during all 5 of those same games, I imagine they would have only lost by a couple of TD's. Crennel still has some kinks to work out before anyone can assume he can get them back up to the level of the Gunther Cunningham defense of the late 90's.

As far as Dick Vermeil, during his 5 year run as the Chiefs' HC, he was primarily offensive-minded and did little to improve the defense (Al Saunders was overrated as a DC if you ask me), which would explain why 4 out of those 5 years the team failed to make the playoffs, three of them being with losing or un-winning (8-8) win-loss records. Honestly, the Head Coaching is not the problem overall, it's the entire Chiefs' personnel that needs revamping since they have yet to obtain both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in the same season.

How do these people find their way here?

FFS

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by BossChief

How do these people find their way here?

FFS

I could ask the same about you since you only paid attention to the bolded sentence you decided to reply to while ignoring the meaningful points of my post.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

I could ask the same about you since you only paid attention to the bolded sentence you decided to reply to while ignoring the meaningful points of my post.

I dont know where this defense would be without Bowe causing Havoc on opposing passers.

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I dont know where this defense would be without Bowe causing Havoc on opposing passers.

I should add that I won't rely on the advice of a guy whose profile tagline suggests to give up on Tony Moeaki after a season ending injury in just his second year in the NFL. That'd be like Jim Kelly retiring early just because the Buffalo Bills placekicker Scott Norwood couldn't convert a field goal to defeat the Giants in Superbowl XXV.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I would rather have us hire Romeo Crennel than hire Jeff Fisher.

It took a miracle and a blown call for his team to have ever even gotten to the superbowl.

Other than that, he was a poor mans Marty Schottenheimer.

You know who I think would be a fantastic hire (if he wasnt old as dirt)?

Dick Vermiel.

Think of Vermiels offense with this defense to back it up.

I bet Dick could make Stanzi a rockstar...a 23 year old Trent Green would be nice to have.

Uh Vermeil wouldnl't want to spend the money on defense. We would end up right back where we were. Vermeil would want all of these players for his offense and to put them on the squad the rest of our play makers on defense would have to go to have the money for them.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Uh Vermeil wouldnl't want to spend the money on defense. .

Stupid post. When Gun became the DC under Vermeil, Peterson went out and got every player that Gun wanted.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Stupid post. When Gun became the DC under Vermeil, Peterson went out and got every player that Gun wanted.

After Vermeil had gotten rid of the talent we had. Yeah he went out and got old worthless cheap players. Not stars, young and up and comers. The money was already spent on the offensive side of the ball. Vermeil believed that the LB position was not very important.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

After Vermeil had gotten rid of the talent we had. Yeah he went out and got old worthless cheap players. Not stars, young and up and comers. The money was already spent on the offensive side of the ball. Vermeil believed that the LB position was not very important.

Yet the two biggest free agent signings on defense during the Vermeil era were Kendrell Bell and Shawn Barber. Both were young & up coming players, and they drafted Derrick Johnson. Yet LB was not very important to them?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Yet the two biggest free agent signings on defense during the Vermeil era were Kendrell Bell and Shawn Barber. Both were young & up coming players, and they drafted Derrick Johnson. Yet LB was not very important to them?

Man you guys and your memories aren't very good. Kendrell Bell yeah he was 26 but he had blown out his knee 3 times before we signed him. The Steelers didn't want him anymore because of his knees. Not a good signing.
Barber was 28 when we signed him. The guy stayed injured. I had hopes for him. But still you guys are talking about LB the cheapest position on the field. We drafted Derrick in Vermeil's last year.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Stupid post. When Gun became the DC under Vermeil, Peterson went out and got every player that Gun wanted.

Goonther came back after how many years of Greg Robinson and Carl made Vermeil get rid of Robinson. Vermeil was as anti defense as Herm was anti offense.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Goonther came back after how many years of Greg Robinson and Carl made Vermeil get rid of Robinson. Vermeil was as anti defense as Herm was anti offense.

2001 - kc gave up draft picks for Vermeil and Green. 1st pick that they had was defense - Downing.
2002 - Sims and Freeman were the 1st and 2nd round picks.
2003 - Mtichell in the 2nd and Battle in the 3rd.
2004 - first pick was Siavii, then Fox and Allen in 3rd and 4th.

They may have drafted extremely poorly, but they certainly were not anti-defense whatsoever.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

2001 - kc gave up draft picks for Vermeil and Green. 1st pick that they had was defense - Downing.
2002 - Sims and Freeman were the 1st and 2nd round picks.
2003 - Mtichell in the 2nd and Battle in the 3rd.
2004 - first pick was Siavii, then Fox and Allen in 3rd and 4th.

They may have drafted extremely poorly, but they certainly were not anti-defense whatsoever.

They got rid of the money on the defensive side of the ball to bring in players that could run Vermeils offense. Yeah we tried to draft some players....that is a 50/50 if they work out. Not to mention that it takes a couple of years for players to get up to NFL speed.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

They got rid of the money on the defensive side of the ball to bring in players that could run Vermeils offense. Yeah we tried to draft some players....that is a 50/50 if they work out. Not to mention that it takes a couple of years for players to get up to NFL speed.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. They spent money and draft picks on defense. The picks and free agent acquisitions didn't work out, but they tried.