Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites?

[milkman]

So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads.

In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing.

Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?

[BossChief]

Things we have learned from JCharles1981 tonight:

1) Dan Saleamua really was an offensive linemen...apparently not a very good one, either.
2) Al Saunders was an overrated defensive coordinator
3) I hate Tony Moeaki and have given up on his after just 2 years.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

The more you guys paste my quotes and find ways to slam on them, that just shows how much of a troll(s) you really are. And I could careless whether or not you agree with me. If you weren't trolling, you wouldn't be firing personal shots at me. I guess being allowed to have an open opinion about the Chiefs doesn't pay off here. Lame!

I think you should start a new thread and call everyone to address this issue. I am sure CP will lend a listening ear.
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[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I think we're learning a few things from this situation about our fan base. For the first time in my lifetime (26 years) the majority of the fan base wants us to draft a Quarterback. These are really interesting times because also for the first time in my lifetime I feel we're pretty close to seeing Arrowhead empty week in week out if A) Josh McDaniels is hired as the head coach. B) Matt Cassel is brought back as the starter without atleast us drafting a rookie QB.

I think you overestimate the fanbase.

While I agree that many more would like to see a QB drafted and are clued in to who McDaniels is and why they do not want.....

This message board and talk radio is not a good gauge of the overall Chiefs Kingdom. This board is consisted of people who are much more informed that the average Chiefs fan.

[OzarksChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BigRock

The Haley/Bowe story is from Nick Wright. Even if there was some small reason to put stock into what that credibility-challenged toucan is saying about anything, and I'm unaware of any such reason, it shouldn't actually occur until Bowe is re-signed. Because that was an element of the story, that they were working on a new contract as this happened.

Incidentally, without naming names, Kent Babb certainly appeared to shoot down that story, saying that "despite what's being leaked" Haley "had an excellent relationship" with his players.

This would be the same Kent Babb who as recently as a few days ago in a Star chat said the Chiefs most likely keep Haley? The same guy who discounted the problems between Pioli and Haley? Sorry but these local guys are spoon fed their information. I believe it was Clark Hunt that had enough though and made the move. It's just a gut feeling from the press conference.

There is no way the entire team "loved" Haley or hated him either. Most likely the truth is in the middle. I never thought he had the credentials and I didn't like his coaching. A lot of Chiefs fans liked him. I'm sure that's how it was in the locker room as well. Time to move on.

[OzarksChiefsFan]

There was nothing consistent about his teams. They go 12-4 one season, then 6-10 the next. We must really LOVE Denver because we apparently want a clone of their head coach.

Good post and one I agree with. His winning % is somewhere around 54%. There are not many experienced coaches out there with great winning percentages or they would have jobs. I do think Pioli should hire someone who he feels comfortable working with and get everyone going the same direction. It's his last hire if he's wrong so I don't really care who he chooses. From what I've read Clark has him on a short leash. I am more concerned about Stanzi and the QB situation than who the head coach is right now. If Pioli misfires it's getting blown up again anyway.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Guru

what? this is the first I have heard this one. Link?

610 broke it...

[BoneKrusher]

we've learned the Patriot way only works with a Great QB.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by Dave

Haley went 10-6 with a cupcake schedule despite Matt Cassel

FYP

[Chiefnj2]

Cliff Notes:

1. No Chiefs news whatsoever. No leaks or rumors of a firing.
2. KC website announces Haley is gone. Press conference in 3 hours.
3. Every reporter suddenly has inside info from the last 3 years, stories include, but are not limited to: Haley hated T Jax pick, it was Haley who took Cassel under his wing and developed and believed in him, Weis refused to develop Cassel, Haley was a monumental prick to Bowe which caused Bowe to go to Pioli and complain, Pioli went to Todd and told him to stop being a dick to players whose contracts the team is trying to extend, Pioli is tied to the hip with Cassel, McD & Ferentz are likely HC candidates.
4. Press conference occurs. Clark seems calm with underlying anger. Pioli looks uneasy, moreso than he ever has in front of the camera. Blame the firing on a lack of consistency. Get asked a bunch of lame questions. No answers.
5. All of the inside leaks and info stops like you are turning off a drain.

Mass hysteria ensues at the Planet. The end.

[threebag]

Even with a cupcake schedule that's still a heck of an accomplishment with Cassel involved. -Matt Cassel needs Jerry Sandusky.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No shit.

I find it comical that people think Jeff Fisher is some amazing coach while Billick is some slapdick.

Originally Posted by Omega

Billick got lucky. He was never able to bring his offensive genius to Baltimore.

Hell, he picked Grbac to be his QB, and then Boller.

No.

"Guru" and "genius" are are the product of the talent that plays for them on the field.

Billick was never able to bring his "genius" to Baltimore, because Ozzie Newsome never came close to providing him with the talent that he worked with in Minnesota..

In Baltimore, had mediocre skill position players, especially at QB, except RB, an outstanding O-Line to block for that RB, and one of the best defenses in the NFL.

He adapted.

The thing that separated him from guys like Marty and Jeff Fisher, was that he was not afraid to take a risk in the effort to reach the SB.

Where Fisher simply got lucky to win a hard fought contest with Music City Miracle, Brian Billick, in a low scoring hard fought game took a chance.

In a situation that Marty and Fisher would simply have run the ball 3 times and punted, Billick from the Ravens 12 yard line, with a medicre Trent Dilfer, ran slant play that caught the Raiders off guard, and it turned into an 88 yard TD pass.

Tight sphincters, in all probability, lose that game.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by milkman

"Guru" and "genius" are are the product of the talent that plays for them on the field.

Billick was never able to bring his "genius" to Baltimore, because Ozzie Newsome never came close to providing him with the talent that he worked with in Minnesota..

In Baltimore, had mediocre skill position players, especially at QB, except RB, an outstanding O-Line to block for that RB, and one of the best defenses in the NFL.

He adapted.

The thing that separated him from guys like Marty and Jeff Fisher, was that he was not afraid to take a risk in the effort to reach the SB.

Where Fisher simply got lucky to win a hard fought contest with Music City Miracle, Brian Billick, in a low scoring hard fought game took a chance.

In a situation that Marty and Fisher would simply have run the ball 3 times and punted, Billick from the Ravens 12 yard line, with a medicre Trent Dilfer, ran slant play that caught the Raiders off guard, and it turned into an 88 yard TD pass.

Tight sphincters, in all probability, lose that game.

GREAT post.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Do you think I'm that stupid? I don't give props to an offensive player if he sucks. Is it me, or do some people on here like to be trolls and make reeruned replies to people they don't like while falsely acting like a know-it-all? True Chiefs fans don't come off acting like moronic a**holes towards other Chiefs fans and basically tell those they disagree with that they can suck it.

They do on the CP. . .

[tk13]

I certainly don't think Fisher is as aggressive as someone like Sean Payton... but he's not Marty either. People equate physical football to Martyball. Just because he ran the ball a lot, his teams would still take shots downfield, take risks, throw in a surprise onside kick or trick play. I don't think a Marty team would've tried the music city miracle play. Fisher also had success with 1st round QBs, even Young who he didn't want. To me Fisher is closer to Rex Ryan than Marty.
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[ReynardMuldrake]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

How ****ed are we you ask? Well, we're so ****ing ****ed that we couldn't be more ****ed on our ****ingest day even if we had an electrified ****ing machine.

Simpsons?