Chiefs Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites? - Page 16

milkman · 12-13-2011, 10:33 PM

So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads.

In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing.

Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?

tk13 · 12-14-2011, 12:12 PM

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Yuck. The Jets are the most boring team in the NFL.

Well that may be true. Although Fisher had guys like McNair, C. Johnson and Kearse over the years who could make things happen. I just think I would rather have Fisher 100 times more than McDaniels.
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Okie_Apparition · 12-14-2011, 12:14 PM

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Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

What old LBs did the Chief bring in to start under Vermeil after Cadrez the first year? In 2002, it was Fujitia, Maslowski and Patton. Patton got cut, they signed Barber got younger again the next year with Kawika Mitchell.

Also what defense talent did Vermeil let go of? Donnie Edwards. That would be it.

Chester McGlocklin, Dan Williams, Donnie Edwards, Duane Clemons.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

2001 - kc gave up draft picks for Vermeil and Green. 1st pick that they had was defense - Downing.
2002 - Sims and Freeman were the 1st and 2nd round picks.
2003 - Mtichell in the 2nd and Battle in the 3rd.
2004 - first pick was Siavii, then Fox and Allen in 3rd and 4th.

They may have drafted extremely poorly, but they certainly were not anti-defense whatsoever.

They got rid of the money on the defensive side of the ball to bring in players that could run Vermeils offense. Yeah we tried to draft some players....that is a 50/50 if they work out. Not to mention that it takes a couple of years for players to get up to NFL speed.

milkman · 12-14-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Chester McGlocklin, Dan Williams, Donnie Edwards, Duane Clemons.

Let me preface my question here by saying, I hated Dick, and that's pretty well documented around here.

But I have to ask, you think that relaesing Chet, Williams and Duane Clemons somehow speaks to Vermeil's apathy toward defense?

Seriously?

Chiefnj2 · 12-14-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

They got rid of the money on the defensive side of the ball to bring in players that could run Vermeils offense. Yeah we tried to draft some players....that is a 50/50 if they work out. Not to mention that it takes a couple of years for players to get up to NFL speed.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. They spent money and draft picks on defense. The picks and free agent acquisitions didn't work out, but they tried.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Let me preface my question here by saying, I hated Dick, and that's pretty well documented around here.

But I have to ask, you think that relaesing Chet, Williams and Duane Clemons somehow speaks to Vermeil's apathy toward defense?

Seriously?

Well I think by cutting, releasing, not resigining our best Defensive players at the time along with his opinion about the LB position. Remember he drafted London Fletcher and then wouldn't pay him in St. Louis. Fletcher spoke out about that situation. At the time this is where they got the money to sign Green, Dunn and the rest of the players that Vermeil brought in. That defense that he had in St. Louis was 1 tackle good enough to win a SB other than that they were the bottum of the league. Defense was definitely 3rd to Vermeil. Special teams and Offense was more important to Vermeil than the Defense. When everything else on the team is more important than Defense, You know defense wins championships, You can most definitely say he has apathy for Defense.

crazycoffey · 12-14-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981

I guess when you were born reeruned, your mother had the doctor slap you to see if he could knock the reeruned out. Looks like it didn't work.

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milkman · 12-14-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Well I think by cutting, releasing, not resigining our best Defensive players at the time along with his opinion about the LB position. Remember he drafted London Fletcher and then wouldn't pay him in St. Louis. Fletcher spoke out about that situation. At the time this is where they got the money to sign Green, Dunn and the rest of the players that Vermeil brought in. That defense that he had in St. Louis was 1 tackle good enough to win a SB other than that they were the bottum of the league. Defense was definitely 3rd to Vermeil. Special teams and Offense was more important to Vermeil than the Defense. When everything else on the team is more important than Defense, You know defense wins championships, You can most definitely say he has apathy for Defense.

I would argue that Dick was more clueless than he was apathetic, but that is not what I'm arguing right now.

Using those underachievers to prove your point is not proving your point at all.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I would argue that Dick was more clueless than he was apathetic, but that is not what I'm arguing right now.

Using those underachievers to prove your point is not proving your point at all.

Clueless is probably the better word. We all know he did care.
What underachievers are you refering to?

Why didn't Vermeil draft offensive players and bring in defensive players through FA?

**HemiEd** · 12-14-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Haley went 10-6 with MATT CASSEL

Playing the last place schedule that also included the sucking NFC West. Oakland also swept the division.

It is my opinion, if Cassel was worth the powder to blow his hat off, Haley would still be the HC of this team.

But he isn't, and they get to start over because the QB still sucks ass.

It is really that simple, and the only way to have avoided this would have been for Haley to say no when he had some leverage.

That was when Pioli wanted to hire him, not after he was committed.

**BossChief** · 12-14-2011, 01:07 PM

Why would Dick Vermiel have to spend money on defense?

This defense is 2 or 3 players away from being one of the top units in football and Romeo is pretty much the epitome of what DV wants from a DC.

I think Stanzi is damn close to a Trent Green clone and he could do wonders with a guy like Orton in the meantime...if we gave him a first round quarterback, it would put us in the spotlight as a true contender.

milkman · 12-14-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Clueless is probably the better word. We all know he did care.
What underachievers are you refering to?

Why didn't Vermeil draft offensive players and bring in defensive players through FA?

The three players you brought up that I named in my followup post.

I wouldn't label Donnie an underachiever.
He was simply overrated by Chief fans.

But regardless of the label, blame for his departure falls more to Carl than Dick.

And I'd guess that the primary reason that you would draft D and sign O in free agency is that it's generally thought that rookies can assimilate defense and have an impact quicker than offensive skill position players.

**HemiEd** · 12-14-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981

The more you guys paste my quotes and find ways to slam on them, that just shows how much of a troll(s) you really are. And I could careless whether or not you agree with me. If you weren't trolling, you wouldn't be firing personal shots at me. I guess being allowed to have an open opinion about the Chiefs doesn't pay off here. Lame!

Why don't you take a chill pill, and go back and re-read your posts. Once you take the time to discover your stupid errors, then you might want to grovel and ask for forgiveness from this board.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Why would Dick Vermiel have to spend money on defense?

This defense is 2 or 3 players away from being one of the top units in football and Romeo is pretty much the epitome of what DV wants from a DC.

I think Stanzi is damn close to a Trent Green clone and he could do wonders with a guy like Orton in the meantime...if we gave him a first round quarterback, it would put us in the spotlight as a true contender.

He wouldn't spend money on the defense. He would let a lot of the defensive players go to get money to put towards the offensive players he wanted to bring in. JMO . then we would try and draft some more defensive players.

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