12/13/11 Nightfyre Mock Draft

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by O.city

Night I'm kinda thinking we won't be in a spot to draft either of the two qbs. I think we needa push the chips in, trade all the way up, and grab Luck.

Luck will cost at least our next two drafts... And that is if Indy would even trade it at all.

Jacksonville spent a 1st and 2nd moving up from 16 to 10... So if we are wanting to move up from say 9 to 3 or 4, i'm guessing it would cost a 1st and 2 2nd's or something along those lines.

[jd1020]

From all the reports, its ****ing pointless to think about QB in the first. With Haley gone and Crennel starting the people who should have been starting in the first place (Orton/Stanzi) I fully expect 1 more win this year, at least. We are looking at a 10-15 pick right now and I can no longer see us breaking the top 10. The Rams are looking at possibly flushing the system and firing every coach on the team. Pioli wants to bring in McDaniels but he says he won't bring him in as HC so he'll be here as OC, assuming the Rams fire everyone. Which means Cassel will be back and given an opportunity to, once again, show he can be the guy. Pioli will likely draft another guy, no earlier than the 2nd round, to compete with Stanzi for the #2.

With that said, I'm focusing on 3 QB's...

Tannehill - 2nd round. I'll be surprised if he lasts til our 2nd pick, but if he does I'll be pissed we don't draft him.

Cousins - 4th round. He was once a 2nd round projection but is dropping on boards because the Spartans like to run and he doesn't have any top quality receivers to throw to. He's not quite the size Pioli goes for, but there really aren't many mid-late round projected QB's that are. He's got the arm to make shit happen. IMO, he has a bigger arm than any of the top QB's. I had always believed he had a mediocre arm from all the reports and then I watched the "Kirk Cousins vs Ohio State 2011" video. At 1:43, that all changed.

Moore - 5th round+. He's small, doesn't have the greatest of arms but, imo, his "weak" arm is overly exaggerated. I've watched him throw some fairly straight 15+ yard balls and 50+ yard balls that were dead on. With his accuracy I think he could be a very good starting NFL QB. He's not going to spread the field deep like Rodgers but he's going to consistently put the ball where his receivers can make a play after the catch.

I'll add one more, but he's one of the last options, imo, even though he's projected to be drafted before Cousins/Moore...

Foles - 2nd-3rd round. He's the prototypical Pioli guy. Big, stone foot, strong armed pocket passer. He's put up "good" numbers but he had to throw the ball nearly 600 times to do it. He started the season off on fire and then someone threw 20 gallons of cold water on him the second half. Maybe he got tired from over use, I dunno.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by jd1020

From all the reports, its ****ing pointless to think about QB in the first. With Haley gone and Crennel starting the people who should have been starting in the first place (Orton/Stanzi) I fully expect 1 more win this year, at least. We are looking at a 10-15 pick right now and I can no longer see us breaking the top 10. The Rams are looking at possibly flushing the system and firing every coach on the team. Pioli wants to bring in McDaniels but he says he won't bring him in as HC so he'll be here as OC, assuming the Rams fire everyone. Which means Cassel will be back and given an opportunity to, once again, show he can be the guy. Pioli will likely draft another guy, no earlier than the 2nd round, to compete with Stanzi for the #2.

With that said, I'm focusing on 3 QB's...

Tannehill - 2nd round. I'll be surprised if he lasts til our 2nd pick, but if he does I'll be pissed we don't draft him.

Cousins - 4th round. He was once a 2nd round projection but is dropping on boards because the Spartans like to run and he doesn't have any top quality receivers to throw to. He's not quite the size Pioli goes for, but there really aren't many mid-late round projected QB's that are. He's got the arm to make shit happen. IMO, he has a bigger arm than any of the top QB's. I had always believed he had a mediocre arm from all the reports and then I watched the "Kirk Cousins vs Ohio State 2011" video. At 1:43, that all changed.

Moore - 5th round+. He's small, doesn't have the greatest of arms but, imo, his "weak" arm is overly exaggerated. I've watched him throw some fairly straight 15+ yard balls and 50+ yard balls that were dead on. With his accuracy I think he could be a very good starting NFL QB. He's not going to spread the field deep like Rodgers but he's going to consistently put the ball where his receivers can make a play after the catch.

I'll add one more, but he's one of the last options, imo, even though he's projected to be drafted before Cousins/Moore...

Foles - 2nd-3rd round. He's the prototypical Pioli guy. Big, stone foot, strong armed pocket passer. He's put up "good" numbers but he had to throw the ball nearly 600 times to do it. He started the season off on fire and then someone threw 20 gallons of cold water on him the second half. Maybe he got tired from over use, I dunno.

The pass at 1:43? The not even 15 yard, "I literally can throw that pass" pass? He threw it hard. That was it. Nothing all too impressive there. If it had been a few yards deeper and clear to the sideline, I might be impressed.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by aturnis

The pass at 1:43? The not even 15 yard, "I literally can throw that pass" pass? He threw it hard. That was it. Nothing all too impressive there. If it had been a few yards deeper and clear to the sideline, I might be impressed.

Why do you even post?

He threw the ball 12 yards so hard that the defender standing 2 yards to the side of the receiver couldn't even dive in time to deflect it.

"Nothing impressive."

Just stop.

That was a NFL sized BULLET.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by jd1020

From all the reports, its ****ing pointless to think about QB in the first. With Haley gone and Crennel starting the people who should have been starting in the first place (Orton/Stanzi) I fully expect 1 more win this year, at least. We are looking at a 10-15 pick right now and I can no longer see us breaking the top 10. The Rams are looking at possibly flushing the system and firing every coach on the team. Pioli wants to bring in McDaniels but he says he won't bring him in as HC so he'll be here as OC, assuming the Rams fire everyone. Which means Cassel will be back and given an opportunity to, once again, show he can be the guy. Pioli will likely draft another guy, no earlier than the 2nd round, to compete with Stanzi for the #2.

With that said, I'm focusing on 3 QB's...

Tannehill - 2nd round. I'll be surprised if he lasts til our 2nd pick, but if he does I'll be pissed we don't draft him.

Cousins - 4th round. He was once a 2nd round projection but is dropping on boards because the Spartans like to run and he doesn't have any top quality receivers to throw to. He's not quite the size Pioli goes for, but there really aren't many mid-late round projected QB's that are. He's got the arm to make shit happen. IMO, he has a bigger arm than any of the top QB's. I had always believed he had a mediocre arm from all the reports and then I watched the "Kirk Cousins vs Ohio State 2011" video. At 1:43, that all changed.

Moore - 5th round+. He's small, doesn't have the greatest of arms but, imo, his "weak" arm is overly exaggerated. I've watched him throw some fairly straight 15+ yard balls and 50+ yard balls that were dead on. With his accuracy I think he could be a very good starting NFL QB. He's not going to spread the field deep like Rodgers but he's going to consistently put the ball where his receivers can make a play after the catch.

I'll add one more, but he's one of the last options, imo, even though he's projected to be drafted before Cousins/Moore...

Foles - 2nd-3rd round. He's the prototypical Pioli guy. Big, stone foot, strong armed pocket passer. He's put up "good" numbers but he had to throw the ball nearly 600 times to do it. He started the season off on fire and then someone threw 20 gallons of cold water on him the second half. Maybe he got tired from over use, I dunno.

I've seen Tannehill projected in the first. I don't think he makes it to our second rounder.

We likely won't be in a spot to take a qb in the first, you are correct. If it were me if I'm not trading up for Luck, I'm probably not trading up at all. I'd see what I had in Stanzi this year and go from there.

I like Moore but he just doesn't have the size that Pioli would look for. I think he could be a solid NFL guy.

I don't think Cassel will be brought back tho. I don't see how he can be. Pioli likely knows he has one more shot at this. If he brings Cassel back it's lose win for us. We will lose games but win by Pioli likely being let go.

Don't want any part of Foles tho. Wouldn't mind Cousins.

It just sucks that the guys we likely wil be taking are all projects. For once i'd like this franchise to get a guy that could come in a play.

I really like Barkley and what RGIII could bring to the table. THat said it's likely they won't be in KC.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Luck will cost at least our next two drafts... And that is if Indy would even trade it at all.

Jacksonville spent a 1st and 2nd moving up from 16 to 10... So if we are wanting to move up from say 9 to 3 or 4, i'm guessing it would cost a 1st and 2 2nd's or something along those lines.

And I'd give up two drafts for the next 15 years of service.