Haley will serve as guest analyst on ESPN show

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Haley will serve as guest analyst on ESPN show
Former Chiefs coach Todd Haley, fired on Monday after the team’s 37-10 loss to the New York Jets, will be a guest analyst tomorrow on the ESPN show “Audibles,” which will air from 7 p.m. to 8 p.m. He’ll appear alongside regular analysts Keyshawn Johnson, Trent Dilfer and Jerry Rice.

An ESPN communications executive described the show as having a viewer-controlled format, allowing the analysts to answer questions.

Haley spent less than three seasons as Chiefs coach before being fired Monday.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Pioli obviously has made mistakes. But from what I know of both people, Haley was the bigger problem.

The biggest thing is that Haley was a poor fit for this team. He didn't work well with Pioli. We all have our opinions, but none of us really know what happened.

I will continue to believe that both men are at fault, and that neither handled everything perfectly.

I just think that on the whole, Haley handled things more poorly than Pioli. It will be curious to see if Haley gets a head coaching job again.

No. When in doubt, always blame the guy on top. Especially since he made the hire.

I don't think Haley was a poor fit for the team. I just think Pioli is so close-minded that he thinks there is only one way to do things. Here's what we do know. In almost every single way, Pioli did things exactly as he did in New England. Closed door policy, coaches saying nothing, secrecy, etc.... Same exact 2-gap defense, same Charlie Weis offense, same focus on role players/leaders/cheapness, and a bunch of players who played for the Patriots (including Cassel, the most important guy on the field).

Pioli's the boss. But this entire team model reeks of Pioli. And the biggest mistakes in personnel, apart from Palko, are owned by Pioli. When a guy gets his way all the time, he's the guy most at fault. You can say Haley needed to be tougher in fighting off Pioli, but I think that's a tough battle to win.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No. When in doubt, always blame the guy on top. Especially since he made the hire.

I don't think Haley was a poor fit for the team. I just think Pioli is so close-minded that he thinks there is only one way to do things. Here's what we do know. In almost every single way, Pioli did things exactly as he did in New England. Closed door policy, coaches saying nothing, secrecy, etc.... Same exact 2-gap defense, same Charlie Weis offense, same focus on role players/leaders/cheapness, and a bunch of players who played for the Patriots (including Cassel, the most important guy on the field).

Pioli's the boss. But this entire team model reeks of Pioli. And the biggest mistakes in personnel, apart from Palko, are owned by Pioli. When a guy gets his way all the time, he's the guy most at fault. You can say Haley needed to be tougher in fighting off Pioli, but I think that's a tough battle to win.

Pretty good post right there.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Romeo is the anti Haley. He is a team guy. He doesn't have Haley's ego. He is mature, he gets the big picture. He understands that there will be disagreements and he doesn't hold a grudge.

I am not putting it all on Haley, but to act like it is ALL Pioli is ridiculous.

Toddler Haley was a petulant child. He had no business leading men. A good head coach is a consensus builder. A good head coach is able to bridge the gaps between people, not drive a wedge in them to make them wider.

If you think the same guy that got a 15 yard penalty on the sidelines is the level headed one in the Pioli/Haley relationship, then I think any logic will be pretty much lost on you.

So you are judging him on how he acted when he knew he was gonna be fired as the scapegoat and not on what he did as a coach?

Haley couldn't have done a better job with this young roster in terms of uniting them for a common goal. Up until these last few weeks, this was a VERY cohesive team and that almost all had to do with Haley and how he coached them. The asshole and the guy who played bags and went to movies.

[BossChief]

Im glad the mods finally got it right.

SenselessChiefsFan is absolutely spot on.

Senseless, please go ahead and redirect yourself to www.chiefscoalition.com for further posts.

Your insight will be appreciated over there.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

God, I can't believe I'm saying this but does anyone else think Todd would have been a better coach under Carl Peterson? King Carl for all his faults seem to let the coaches put their stamp on the team. I'm not saying he is a better GM at all, but I think Haley would have done better.

Marty, Gunther, Vermeil, Herm, each of their teams had the identity of the coach stamped all over it. I don't feel like this was ever a Haley stamped team. In fact the Haley reign was very schizophrenic. I still got the feeling I don't know what kind of coach Haley is and can be.

I don't know the answer to that. What I do know is that Peterson would have built the system around Haley and would have given Haley a ton of say in what players he wanted on his team. Granted, he would never let Haley hire assistant coaches outside of his tree...

Peterson was the complete opposite of Haley. He was too accommodating of what his coaches wanted (that is, until Herm came into town and he somehow became stubborn).

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No. When in doubt, always blame the guy on top. Especially since he made the hire.

I don't think Haley was a poor fit for the team. I just think Pioli is so close-minded that he thinks there is only one way to do things. Here's what we do know. In almost every single way, Pioli did things exactly as he did in New England. Closed door policy, coaches saying nothing, secrecy, etc.... Same exact 2-gap defense, same Charlie Weis offense, same focus on role players/leaders/cheapness, and a bunch of players who played for the Patriots (including Cassel, the most important guy on the field).

Pioli's the boss. But this entire team model reeks of Pioli. And the biggest mistakes in personnel, apart from Palko, are owned by Pioli. When a guy gets his way all the time, he's the guy most at fault. You can say Haley needed to be tougher in fighting off Pioli, but I think that's a tough battle to win.

Too much logic........must resist........can't blame Pioli or bathroom door gets locked again.....

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Too much logic........must resist........can't blame Pioli or bathroom door gets locked again.....

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[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Making Haley the victim?

Obviously, making Haley the scapegoat fooled a few people. Good work, Scott.

The simple fact is that they are ALL culpable. Season's like this don't happen because of one man.

Cassel?

I mean look at the rest of the roster (if healthy) and the improvement Haley got from his players here across the board....

Cassel is gonna get a lot more people fired unless he is cut or traded to some dumbass team willing to give up a 6th or 7th rounder for him.

I would LOVED to have seen Haley be able to coach this team with a good quarterback...I dont even think he would have needed a great one, or even top 5...just good.

What he got from Cassel in 2010 was as close to magic as Ive seen in quite some time in the NFL.

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I fear there's a lot of pep rally in Mr. SenselessChiefsfud's ancestry.

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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Peterson was the complete opposite of Haley. He was too accommodating of what his coaches wanted (that is, until Herm came into town and he somehow became stubborn).

Pretty sure you mean Peterson was the complete opposite of PIOLI.

And he got stubborn with Herm because Herm wanted to blow things up and go young. It's hard to blow everything up and still put butts in the seats.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Brianfo

You have gone full reerun. How many pro bowls has Tyler Thigpen played in? I understand that hate, but at least be objective.

So now you're call Cassel a pro bowl QB? B/c how many QB's in front of him couldn't play due to injury, surgery, or oh yeah, playing in the ****ing superbowl? Cassel sux. Thigpen sux. Both backups. No need to talk about it.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Frankly, I don't know. I don't think that was Haley. I imagine it was Pioli. I don't know that the doors were unlocked last week.

I do know that Haley controlled who played, when meetings were held, when the worked out, and how he answered questions.

I don't think that Pioli has handled everything right, but when it comes to their relationship, I believe that Haley was the one who was most responsible for the breakdown.

Yes, Haley did control who played, mostly. He can only choose from the talent he is given though. It seems he has a case of "How do you expect me to cook the meal when someone else is buying the groceries" itis. Playing Richardson was as much a **** you as was playing Palko.

The fact that you acknowledge that you believe when meetings were held and when the team worked out as problems, and insist that Crennel mentioning them weren't shot at Haley is ridiculous. Just duh.

You honestly believe Todd had full control of how he answered questions and had no reason to fear any kind of consequences? Honestly? Even after the long history of Pioli talking over Haley. In the initial presser, Pioli talked and talked and talked, and Todd only got a chance when directly addressed. Then of course there was the article by J.Whit about how Pioli talked and talked and talked and didn't even give Haley a chance to answer questions directed at him while at dinner with J.Whit? This guy was no problem whatsoever. None. Haley had no reason to resent Pioli. none.

[aturnis]

Also, do you really think that Haley couldn't get along with HIS coaches? Seems to me that Crennel was "pushed" on him and he was mostly okay with that, but wanted no part of Weis, and that is Haley's fault? Seems to me that Pioli said he was giving Haley complete control of his staff, Scott would just have to sign off on it. Instead though, Pioli decided to call Haley dumb and proceeded to try and show him that the Patriot way is the only way. Then, of course, this offseason, Pioli wanted to force McDaniels on Haley, but Haley would have no part in that. Haley had to hire someone, Pioli wasn't going to let him run his own offense, so Haley promoted Muir.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pretty sure you mean Peterson was the complete opposite of PIOLI.

And he got stubborn with Herm because Herm wanted to blow things up and go young. It's hard to blow everything up and still put butts in the seats.

That's accurate. Don't get me wrong. CP was loyal to a fault. He listened to Vermeil on Sims and kept Lynn Stiles in office longer than he should have. The problem was that under CP, coaches pretty much controlled the personnel process. You have to have a coach who knows what he wants, and a GM who can use his expertise to get that kind of player.

In KC, we've never really had both. Coaches got everything they wanted under Peterson, and coaches get nothing they want under Pioli.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's accurate. Don't get me wrong. CP was loyal to a fault. He listened to Vermeil on Sims and kept Lynn Stiles in office longer than he should have. The problem was that under CP, coaches pretty much controlled the personnel process. You have to have a coach who knows what he wants, and a GM who can use his expertise to get that kind of player.

In KC, we've never really had both. Coaches got everything they wanted under Peterson, and coaches get nothing they want under Pioli.

Pope
Breaston
Long
Urbhan
Jones
Brown
Palko

That's a list that kinda disproves your statement, buddy.