Chiefs I owe Kyle Orton an apology... - Page 3

tk13 · 12-18-2011, 03:50 PM

Orton can sling it around. I forget the exact stat... but when we claimed him they had a stat on ESPN about how Orton was literally one of the league's top QBs throwing beyond 15 yards.

The flipside is he forces things sometimes, and he struggles in the red zone sometimes as well. But he absolutely can make all the NFL throws, and I'm not sure he's ever played with a group of WRs this talented.

milkman · 12-18-2011, 03:53 PM

What we saw today is that even just a mediocre QB who can make reads and deliver the ball accurately and on time, and whose arm strength has to be respected by the defense, can improve the play of those around him.

Except in short yardage situations, the OL opened holes for the running game, and in pass protect, Orton had all day to throw.

And these receivers caught damn near everything.

Imagine what it would be like with a better than mediocre QB.

Three7s · 12-18-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What we saw today is that even just a mediocre QB who can make reads and deliver the ball accurately and on time, and whose arm strength has to be respected by the defense, can improve the play of those around him.

Except in short yardage situations, the OL opened holes for the running game, and in pass protect, Orton had all day to throw.

And these receivers caught damn near everything.

Imagine what it would be like with a better than mediocre QB.

So, basically, Orton was similar to Trent Green?

Rasputin · 12-18-2011, 03:59 PM

As long as we draft a QBotf and have an open fair compitition going into the next season I'm ok with it. I would have much rather seen Stanzi play but that's not looking like it will happen this season.

Yea for the victory and us not sucking today.

teedubya · 12-18-2011, 03:53 PM

Orton can stay in KC as long as he wants, IMO. Remember this... he is playing with a ****ed up throwing hand!

I was very impressed with him. Great game. It is only ONE game, but I was NEVER this encouraged with Casshole.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 03:54 PM

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and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...

Of course. Same everything. I mean, other than the head coach, but that made no difference.

I will say that Orton played well. And, I am glad the Chiefs have more options at QB going into next year.

But, to say the situation is the same is foolish.

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Of course. Same everything. I mean, other than the head coach, but that made no difference.

I will say that Orton played well. And, I am glad the Chiefs have more options at QB going into next year.

But, to say the situation is the same is foolish.

You just can't handle the truth, can you?

The simple fact is that if Haley wasn't such a baby, intent on spiting Pioli by starting Palko, this argument would have been over 3 weeks ago.

You should thank Haley because he gave you an extra 3 games to wiggle your way out of your ridiculous defenses of Cassel.

Instead you choose to die on that hill. Good luck with that.

threebag · 12-18-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Of course. Same everything. I mean, other than the head coach, but that made no difference.

I will say that Orton played well. And, I am glad the Chiefs have more options at QB going into next year.

But, to say the situation is the same is foolish.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You just can't handle the truth, can you?

The simple fact is that if Haley wasn't such a baby, intent on spiting Pioli by starting Palko, this argument would have been over 3 weeks ago.

You should thank Haley because he gave you an extra 3 games to wiggle your way out of your ridiculous defenses of Cassel.

Instead you choose to die on that hill. Good luck with that.

Can we finally change it to SenselessCasselFan.

**dirk digler** · 12-18-2011, 03:57 PM

Orton played a great game no doubt but let's remember they were playing one if not the worst D in the NFL. Let's see what he does the next couple of weeks.

milkman · 12-18-2011, 04:00 PM

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Orton played a great game no doubt but let's remember they were playing one if not the worst D in the NFL. Let's see what he does the next couple of weeks.

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

**dirk digler** · 12-18-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

It will be interesting to see how he fares against the Broncos and Raiders.

Orton has a real chance to make a great impression on Chiefs fans. He got to go against the Packers weak defense. Then, he will get to go against two teams he should know very, very well.

Coogs · 12-18-2011, 04:07 PM

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Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series!

**dirk digler** · 12-18-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series!

I agree and I am not trying to take away anything from Orton he played a ****ing great game today. I think it is now obvious the main problems with this team is\was Cassel and Haley

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $-44579	As long as we draft a QBotf and have an open fair compitition going into the next season I'm ok with it. I would have much rather seen Stanzi play but that's not looking like it will happen this season. Yea for the victory and us not sucking today. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8993042	Orton can stay in KC as long as he wants, IMO. Remember this... he is playing with a ****ed up throwing hand! I was very impressed with him. Great game. It is only ONE game, but I was NEVER this encouraged with Casshole.
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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $64644	Orton played a great game no doubt but let's remember they were playing one if not the worst D in the NFL. Let's see what he does the next couple of weeks.
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