I owe Kyle Orton an apology...

[dirk digler]

Orton played a great game no doubt but let's remember they were playing one if not the worst D in the NFL. Let's see what he does the next couple of weeks.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Orton played a great game no doubt but let's remember they were playing one if not the worst D in the NFL. Let's see what he does the next couple of weeks.

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by milkman

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

It will be interesting to see how he fares against the Broncos and Raiders.

Orton has a real chance to make a great impression on Chiefs fans. He got to go against the Packers weak defense. Then, he will get to go against two teams he should know very, very well.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series!

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series!

I agree and I am not trying to take away anything from Orton he played a ****ing great game today. I think it is now obvious the main problems with this team is\was Cassel and Haley

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

The Colts have one win.
Minnesota has 2 wins.
San Diego is under .500.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan

The Colts have one win.
Minnesota has 2 wins.
San Diego is under .500.

Yes. Just pointing out games that Cassel had against similar defenses.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Yes. Just pointing out games that Cassel had against similar defenses.

we've pointed out multiple times that Orton did things fundamentally that Cassel hasn't done in 3 years. Cassel had good half-games against those 3 teams. In his entire 3 year career, he has less than a handful of games where he was very good for more than 3 quarters. That's really bad. Orton's been here one game and he already did that once. Yes, I thought Cassel played a decent game against Minnesota and Indy for a half. Against San Diego, he wasn't great. He got a bunch of yards on a few gimmick plays and disappeared for almost the entire second half.

Again, it's the little things. Cassel gets antsy when the primary read isn't there. orton kept his cool. Cassel is lazy at selling the play fake. Orton did it beautifully. Cassel is inaccurate--he doesn't always get the ball there and almost never leads his receivers. Orton isn't perfect, but significantly better.

Neither are probably long-term options. But don't act like Orton's success comes from the magical genius that is Bill Muir.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.

[Monty]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.

Triple Dog This!

Once the receivers adjust to having someone competent of running an NFL offense, you'll see more TDs. You have to walk before you run, but today was on hell of a great start! I'll enjoy the win today, and we'll see how things play out next week.

But for now.....

[grandllama]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Orton didn't throw a TD.

I'll take 299 yards, no TD's and a win over 103 yards, 3 TD's and a loss...

eh, that probably doesn't make my point. The point being that the receivers jobs were made easier and YAC wasn't as much of a REQUIREMENT that it is when the pass leaves Cassel's hands...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.

Once again, perception isn't reality. It happens a lot around here.